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The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By TexanForever Comments: 15248, member since Thu Jun 10, 2004
On Sun Mar 27, 2005 05:02 PM
France’s 35-hour workweek was cherished by workers but despised by many investors and employers. Now the bold social experiment has been dubbed a failure by France’s parliament.<br /> <br /> Welcome to the world of reality, froggies. .... So much for Socialism and "Hello Capitalism."<br /> <br />

The advent of overtime in France

LAURENCE FROST, AP Business Writer 03/27/2005

PARIS -- France’s 35-hour workweek was cherished by workers but despised by many investors and employers. Now the bold social experiment has been dubbed a failure by France’s parliament.

The law gave many people more time for their families, for vacation and for plain relaxation -- but it fueled anxiety about declining competitiveness and soaring unemployment, currently at 10 percent. It also failed to live up to its original promise: creating millions of jobs by forcing employers to hire more people.

The conservative-dominated National Assembly, France’s lower house, voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to adopt a government-backed bill that significantly waters down the 35-hour week legislation, a legacy of the former Socialist administration. It opens the door for companies to increase employees’ working time, in exchange for better pay.
President Jacques Chirac’s government has tried to sell the reform to voters as an opportunity to "Work More to Earn More," but many remain unconvinced.

Almost a million people joined strikes and demonstrations earlier this month to defend the 35-hour week and protest other perceived threats to their working conditions and pay. The antipathy could spill over into a May referendum on the new EU constitution, in which the government is campaigning for a ‘yes’ vote.

The new law endorses an increase in the extra hours employees can work to 220 every year from the previous limit of 180. It also allows them to go further with "optional overtime" in return for extra pay and lets them sell part of their holiday entitlement back to their employers or put it toward early retirement, training or sabbatical leave.
But trade unions doubt that the extra time will be quite as optional as promised -- especially for people working in small companies.

"Officially they can say no. In practice it’s less certain," said Remi Jouan, national secretary of the CFDT, France’s largest union.

"It won’t be the employee that chooses, it’s the employer that decides whether there’s work or not."
Jouan believes the main impact of the reform will be felt when, or if, France’s economy picks up and companies choose to increase hours instead of hiring. "That’s our problem with this reform," he said. "It’s just not an answer to unemployment."

Left-wing deputies also lined up to criticize the new bill. Socialist lawmaker Alain Vidalies called it "economically absurd and socially unjust."
Most concede, however, that the original 35-hour workweek -- introduced on a voluntary basis in 1998 and made compulsory two years later -- has failed to create the promised millions of jobs.

A parliamentary committee chaired by conservative deputy Herve Novelli last year claimed the shorter workweek had cost the state upward of 10 billion euros ($13 billion) a year. It also disputed a labor ministry report that it had created 350,000 jobs in its first five years. Novelli welcomed Tuesday’s vote, saying the 35-hour law had brought a "salary stagnation that is now difficult to emerge from."
According to a 2003 OECD survey of 25 industrialized countries, only Norwegian and Dutch employees worked less time each year than the French, who put in an average 1,431 hours. In Germany -- which also has a 35-hour basic workweek -- workers clocked up an average 1,446 hours, while British employees worked 1,673 hours, Americans 1,792 hours and Koreans 2,390 hours.

The French International Investment Agency also says the 35-hour law was often cited by overseas executives as a reason not to operate in France.

In order to apply the new changes, companies will have to risk industrial action by breaking away from the 212 sector-wide union agreements that dominate French working life -- unchanged by the new law -- and negotiating new deals with their own staff representatives.

Many French workers have become accustomed to their longer holidays and regular weekdays off, and a recent survey by polling agency CSA showed that 56 percent of salaried employees oppose the reform -- although jobseekers, retirees and unskilled workers approve.

Some economists say the changes are unlikely to have much effect either way on the economy or its jobless rate, unless the government follows up with broader labor market reform.
If France does not tackle obstacles like its long-winded and expensive redundancy procedures, said Marc Touati, chief economist at Natexis Banques Populaires, "companies will have a hard time creating jobs."

Associated Press Writer Angela Doland contributed to this report from Paris.

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19 Replies to The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !"

They'll fuck it up... en>fr fr>en
By A_Thinking_Man Comments: 17425, member since Fri May 16, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 02:38 AM
The fRench can't get anything right, so they'll fuck this up, too.

Just a sad little failure of what once was a world power. But fRench relevance has faded along with their language. You'd think they would learn from the Anglo-Saxons who are now dominating the world in technology, business and politics. The fRench have been reduced to obstructionists.

How sad. How very, very sad.
hmm (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By AussieCapitalist Comments: 449, member since Tue Dec 14, 2004
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 02:43 AM
Yeah, but at times us anglos f*ck things up, eg the silly imperial system of measurement.

But hey, my country went metric in the '60s.
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By batalladepuebla Comments: 1042, member since Tue May 06, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 02:46 AM
indonesians are not anglos abdul. Back to the kitchen with you!
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By sulfure Comments: 18, member since Mon Mar 28, 2005
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 04:22 AM
first, I think the US are not #1 in technology anymore. you've been defeated by Japanese. After all you did for them after WWII, waht an irony...
Second, the economic domination will work as long as the world will agree to fund your huge balance of trade loss. it won't be long before you get on the wrong side of all the countries, and then you'll realize this empire is build on sand. Empires are made tofall, anyway
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By batalladepuebla Comments: 1042, member since Tue May 06, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 04:24 AM
shut up sufurgirl, this is an adult conversation. Your argument was out of date when i heard this as a child 40 years ago. We're still here and the majority of the morons who made it are gone.
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By sulfure Comments: 18, member since Mon Mar 28, 2005
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 04:37 AM
you're fucking quick to answer! (I bet you're quick in a lot of fields, anyway...)
If you don't believe me , check the figures, kid. They never lie. You think you 're ruling world economy, but who does? You? sitting on you chair, masturbating on abusing a country and a people I'm sure you've never seen? come on, please! what can you be proud of?
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By batalladepuebla Comments: 1042, member since Tue May 06, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 04:41 AM
Shut up little girl. I have been to more countries than you can ever dream of going in your poverty ridden state. I can always tell an ignorant frog who is young when they post the same parrot shit.
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By sulfure Comments: 18, member since Mon Mar 28, 2005
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 04:46 AM
you big mouth. easy to pretend behind a screen. go and shoot people in the streets and then shoot you in your fucking head, you'll be kind. Isn't that your #1 national sport?
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By batalladepuebla Comments: 1042, member since Tue May 06, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 04:49 AM
Thank you for proving that all you know is from tv and movies child. You really are an embarrassment even to the french pigs. Either you are joking or you are trying to set a record for most ignorant new member of this site.
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By liberalsRfilth Comments: 4688, member since Fri Jul 02, 2004
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 04:53 AM
first, I think the US are not #1 in technology anymore. you've been defeated by Japanese


well you obviosly arn't a very good thinker, try again
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By sulfure Comments: 18, member since Mon Mar 28, 2005
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 05:24 AM
By the way, I've got a special question, and I whish you could REALLY answer for once. You think France is useless and insignificant. Maybe. But if it's true, why do you spend so much time abusing a country that's is not worth it?
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By liberalsRfilth Comments: 4688, member since Fri Jul 02, 2004
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 06:00 AM
By the way, I've got a special question, and I whish you could REALLY answer for once. You think France is useless and insignificant. Maybe. But if it's true, why do you spend so much time abusing a country that's is not worth it?


my hope is to open the eyes of the french one stinky at a time until they all use soap on a daily basis.

Fuck France, cleaning up france and making the world safer place for noses one stinky at a time
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By batalladepuebla Comments: 1042, member since Tue May 06, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 06:03 AM
My goal is to demoralize them even more so that they will at least commit suicide instead of spreading more aids in africa and through their muslim masters.
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By BurnParis Comments: 25069, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 07:48 AM
first, I think the US are not #1 in technology anymore. you've been defeated by Japanese


Really? Name a few technologies the Japanese have created "not manufactured or improved upon"

Or is your thinking restricted to spitting out anything that is shot down your throat? (Like a good little froggy) :D
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By BurnParis Comments: 25069, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 07:51 AM
You think France is useless and insignificant. Maybe. But if it's true, why do you spend so much time abusing a country that's is not worth it?


Why? It's FUN!

What's not to love watching you frogs fall deeper and deeper into despair?
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By z_french_r_fried Comments: 17321, member since Fri Apr 25, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 08:00 AM
The millions striking are too funny....but what do you expect from a cuntry of welfare queens.

Welcome to reality stinkies....and no, those are not muzzie slums overflowing in your suburbs...really. They're not.

fff
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By z_french_r_fried Comments: 17321, member since Fri Apr 25, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 08:02 AM
indonesians are not anglos abdul. Back to the kitchen with you!


k+ LOL.....aussiecap is such a moron.

fff
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" en>fr fr>en
By z_french_r_fried Comments: 17321, member since Fri Apr 25, 2003
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 08:04 AM
sitting on you chair, masturbating on abusing a country and a people I'm sure you've never seen?


Were you talking about Ivory Coast or Sudan?

fff
re: The advent of overtime in France. .... "Hello reality !" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By TexanForever Comments: 15248, member since Thu Jun 10, 2004
On Mon Mar 28, 2005 08:09 AM
why do you spend so much time abusing a country that's is not worth it?
Why do you spend so much time on FuckFrance if you don't enjoy getting abused, stinky massochist ?

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