September 3, 2010, 7:34 AM : Please sign in or register for a free account. Get information about membership.
. . . New: Prediction Market Who's chatting now:
News: France

France
Intifada Comes to France (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By Axel_Bavaria Comments: 4455, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:49 AM
"AUBERVILLIERS, France - Marauding bands of Muslim youth set<br /> fire to cars and warehouses and pelted rescuers with rocks<br /> early Saturday, as the worst rioting in a decade spread from<br /> Paris to other French cities. The United States warned<br /> Americans against taking trains to the airport via<br /> strife-torn areas. " From Fox News, November 7, 2005<br /> <br /> "As in Paris, it was a housing estate inhabited by immigrant<br /> families where angry youths used vandalism and violence to<br /> express their frustration with a society they feel excludes<br /> them from jobs and is too ready to treat them roughly."<br /> So writes Reuters.<br /> <br /> When they were burning down synagogues, it didn't move you.<br /> Now that they are burning down your cities, perhaps you will<br /> understand that when Nazi wannabees at home attempt to<br /> destroy all you hold precious, it's a little less easy to<br /> find a local solution that matches your pious mouthings to<br /> others. I am, as an Israeli, watching the news closely, my<br /> dear French neighbors, fellow inhabitants of the planet<br /> Earth, for how you will deal with your "frustrated youths"<br /> when they burn handicapped grandmothers on your public<br /> buses; shoot your policemen, burn down your cities, shoot at<br /> tourists on trains from Charles de Gaulle to Paris. I am<br /> waiting to see what happens when it isn't your synagogues<br /> and Hebrew schools that are "accidentally" set on fire,(<br /> because the French never admit they have had any anti<br /> Semitic vandalism). I am waiting to see if the Mayor of<br /> Paris, like the Mayor of London, will continue to put his<br /> arms around Muslim clerics preaching hatred for the dhimmi.<br /> And a little reminder: The Islamic Museum, housed in the<br /> center of Paris, has a number of pillars outside which are<br /> labeled: Islamic cities. There is Mecca, Medina, and, oh<br /> yes, Paris.<br /> <br /> Welcome, my French friends, to the world the rest of us live<br /> in.

Intifada Comes to France

By Naomi Ragen

"AUBERVILLIERS, France - Marauding bands of Muslim youth set
fire to cars and warehouses and pelted rescuers with rocks
early Saturday, as the worst rioting in a decade spread from
Paris to other French cities. The United States warned
Americans against taking trains to the airport via
strife-torn areas. " From Fox News, November 7, 2005

"As in Paris, it was a housing estate inhabited by immigrant
families where angry youths used vandalism and violence to
express their frustration with a society they feel excludes
them from jobs and is too ready to treat them roughly."
So writes Reuters.

When they were burning down synagogues, it didn't move you.
Now that they are burning down your cities, perhaps you will
understand that when Nazi wannabees at home attempt to
destroy all you hold precious, it's a little less easy to
find a local solution that matches your pious mouthings to
others. I am, as an Israeli, watching the news closely, my
dear French neighbors, fellow inhabitants of the planet
Earth, for how you will deal with your "frustrated youths"
when they burn handicapped grandmothers on your public
buses; shoot your policemen, burn down your cities, shoot at
tourists on trains from Charles de Gaulle to Paris. I am
waiting to see what happens when it isn't your synagogues
and Hebrew schools that are "accidentally" set on fire,(
because the French never admit they have had any anti
Semitic vandalism). I am waiting to see if the Mayor of
Paris, like the Mayor of London, will continue to put his
arms around Muslim clerics preaching hatred for the dhimmi.
And a little reminder: The Islamic Museum, housed in the
center of Paris, has a number of pillars outside which are
labeled: Islamic cities. There is Mecca, Medina, and, oh
yes, Paris.

Welcome, my French friends, to the world the rest of us live
in.

"Naomi



=======================================

From: Fox News, November 7k, 2005

A savage assault on a bus passenger highlighted the dangers
of travel in Paris' Muslim-filled and impoverished outlying
neighborhoods, where the violence has entered its second
week.

The African immigrant attackers doused the woman, in her 50s
and on crutches, with an inflammable liquid and set her
afire as she tried to get off a bus in the suburb of Sevran
Wednesday, judicial officials said. The bus had been forced
to stop because of burning objects in its path. She was
rescued by the driver and hospitalized with severe burns.

Justice Minister Pascal Clement deplored the incident,
saying it caused him "great emotion."

Rioters burned more than 500 vehicles Friday as the unrest
grew beyond the French capital for the first time. Unrest
returned to the streets in the evening and early Saturday,
the ninth night in a row.

Police said troublemakers fired bullets into a vandalized
bus and burned 85 more cars in Paris and Suresnes, just to
the west. In Meaux east of Paris, officials said youths
stoned rescuers aiding someone who had fallen ill.

Meanwhile, warehouses in Suresnes and Aubervilliers, on the
northern edge of Paris, were set ablaze. Officials said
other fires raged outside the capital in Lille, Toulouse,
and Rouen, while an incendiary device was tossed at the wall
outside a synagogue in Pierrefitte, northwest of Paris.

Some 30 mayors from the Seine-Saint-Denis region where the
unrest started Oct. 27 met Friday to make a joint call for
calm. Claude Pernes, mayor of Rosny-sous-Bois, denounced a
"veritable guerrilla situation, urban insurrection" that has
taken hold.

A national police spokesman, Patrick Hamon, said there
appeared to be no coordination among gangs in different
areas. But he said youths in individual neighborhoods were
communicating by cell phone text messages or e-mails -
arranging meetings and warning each other about police
operations.

The violence started Oct. 27 after the accidental
electrocution of two teenagers who believed police were
chasing them in the Seine-Saint-Denis region, dominated by
low-income housing projects.

Since then riots have swelled into a broader challenge
against the French state and its security forces. The
violence has exposed deep discontent in neighborhoods where
African and Muslim immigrants and their French-born children
are trapped by poverty, unemployment, racial discrimination,
crime, poor education and housing.

During the day Friday, the burned remains of at least 520
cars littered Parisian streets, an increase from previous
nights. Five police officers were lightly injured by youths
throwing stones or bottles, the Interior Ministry said.

At a depot in Trappes, to the southwest, 27 buses were
incinerated, officials said.

The commuter train line linking Paris to Charles de Gaulle
airport ran limited service Friday after two trains were
targeted Wednesday night.

The U.S. Embassy called the protests "extremely violent"
and warned travelers against taking trains to the airport
because they pass through the troubled area. Russia,
meanwhile, warned citizens against visiting the suburbs.

The Foreign Ministry said it was concerned that foreign
media coverage was exaggerating the situation. "I don't have
the feeling that foreign tourists in Paris are in any way
placed in danger by these events," ministry spokesman
Jean-Baptiste Mattei said, adding that officials were
"sometimes a bit surprised" by the foreign coverage.

Still, the violence has alarmed the government of President
Jacques Chirac whose calls for calm have gone unheeded.

"This is the first time (suburban violence) has lasted so
long and the government appears taken aback at the
magnitude," said Pascal Perrineau, director of the Center
for Study of French Political Life.

There were "few direct clashes" with security forces late
Thursday and early Friday, however, no bullets fired at
police, and far fewer large groups of rioters, said
Jean-Francois Cordet, the top government official in
Seine-Saint-Denis.

Instead, Cordet said, the unrest in Seine-Saint-Denis was
led by "numerous small and highly mobile groups" that burned
187 vehicles and five buildings, including three warehouses.

The unrest erupted with youths angered over the deaths of
Bouna Traore, 15, and Zyed Benna, 17, who were electrocuted
when they hid in a power substation in the suburb of
Clichy-sous-Bois."



Naomi Ragen

Please visit my Web page at: www.NaomiRagen.com

4 Replies to Intifada Comes to France

re: Intifada Comes to France (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Sharp Comments: 12808, member since Fri Apr 23, 2004
On Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:59 AM
The religion of piss has struck yet again. And still the libblets, moonbats, and other assorted wackos still don't get it. The say it is the media that fuels the rage(as if these Islamofascists read mainstream news). Then there is the excuse or rather bigotted view that poverty causes the riots as if poor people are less inclined to restrain themselves. Blame lay soley on the Imans and "Holy" leaders of Islam, they condone and promote jihad. The youths of course are only doing what they are trained to do. This doesn't mean they should not be put down on the contrary they have been far to poisoned to be able to be peaceful members of any community.
Intifada in France... (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Longpaite Comments: 1, member since Mon Nov 07, 2005
On Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:13 PM
As pleasant as it would be to indulge in 'I told you so', the present situation in France is serious enough to belay that. I'm watching with interest for a French response (9 days plus, draw your own conclusions). The recent introduction of gunfire is a line drawn in the sand, and one the French must cross with decision. I've enjoyed the teasing and ridicule France has received because, frankly, it is thoroughly deserved, as any insincere 'friend' deserves such a response. But now France has a large problem on its hands. One of its own creation through lack of foresight, yes. But it's present, none the less.

Yet, the result of this is of great importance. Regardless of what is done, it will be portrayed in Arab media as... well, you know the usual. But, the French response will determine if this is the last of it or only the beginning. To this point in time, French sychophancy to muslim sentiments (the same muslims now firing churches, in a showcase of pot calling kettle black) has only delayed the inevitable.

The truth of the matter is, a significant portion of the muslim world demands respect for its religion, yet time and again proves itself unwilling to reciprocate that respect either in Muslim lands, or in multi-religious lands. As an American-born person, I can encourage the benefit of finding a place to build a life. And often that is away from the largest cities, not in them. For the same reason, I can also echo the fact that the simple fact of having emigrated to a Western country doesn't complete the task of building a new life. It takes hard work, a thick skin, and perseverence. The 'gimme' route doesn't work for anyone, the requester or the requested.

Before some frog jumps on me, I'll add that I've myself emigrated to China and am in the same process of finding and earning my place in a new home. Thus far, I haven't found the urge to burn things. I'm trying to learn the ways of my new home, and try speaking through my positive efforts instead of the negative.

The rioters are simply wrong, and I'd advise the French authorities to tag them decidedly before this gets even worse. Or, is France now not for the French?
re: Intifada Comes to France en>fr fr>en
By electricpimp Comments: 159, member since Wed Nov 24, 2004
On Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:19 PM
Should we be expecting French 'boat people' soon?
Fight back Froggies.. (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By puffdriver Comments: 348, member since Thu Apr 21, 2005
On Mon Nov 07, 2005 03:10 PM
By now I would have thought that French men would have began their fight to win France back.

I'd thought that they would have beaten the muzzies back with their "man purse" or perhaps dialogued those bastards to death...

ReplySendWatch

Advertise Here




. . . Return to Top of Page