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en>fr fr>en By NahnCee Comments: 12093, member since Mon Oct 13, 2003On Mon Nov 14, 2005 02:53 PM
Locked by NahnCee (73634) on 2008-01-30 18:05:20 because
Even as of this date, the French media has devoted more space to the supposed injustices to African Americans revealed by "Katrina" a natural disaster in a foreign country as the riots in its own back yard. <br />
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In September and October, as numerous present and former French government officials and diplomats were being charged with receiving oil allocations in the Oil-For-Food scandal, the major papers had not publish a lead article on the scandal, and devoted as much attention to Bush's woes with Harriet Miers' nomination (completely misrepresented, by the way, in the French press). <br />
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Last month, as hundreds of French companies were revealed in the Volcker Report to have paid bribes to the Iraqi regime, the French media was paying more attention to charges against the U.S. Vice President's chief of staff for "illegally exposing" a CIA agent in violation of U.S. national security laws (again reflecting the distortions in the French establishment presentation). As dozens of Chirac's cronies in the governing party were being sentenced to prison terms earlier this month for corruption including Chirac's former chief of staff this received scant coverage in the French media, which were again far more concerned with Katrina, Lewis Libby, and George Bush's other woes.<br />
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A few days ago was the anniversary of the massacre by the French army of over a dozen unarmed civilians assembled in front of the Hotel Ivoire in Abidjan. This massacre had followed other incidents in which the French army gunned down unarmed Ivory Coast civilians. Even though these incidents were captured by live television cameras, none of the footage was broadcast on French TV. As a result, the French citizenry is blissfully ignorant of these event. By contrast, U.S. malfeasance at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq has received several hundred times more coverage in Le Monde, Le Figaro, Libération and French television news channels. As a result, the French citizenry is entirely ignorant of these events. (It should also be noted that several French policeman caught on film this week mercilessly beating defenseless adolescents in the banlieux have been detained and charged. Unlike in the case of Rodney King or the fabricated incident of Mohammed Al-Dura, you will never see this tape on French TV.)<br />
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In April of this year, Amnesty International published a damning report criticizing the French police for its abusive treatment of Arab and African minorities, including murder and torture. This report received virtually no coverage in the French press, left, right or center. Too damaging to the national image. Again, the plight of black victims of hurricane Katrina or the treatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib or the horrors of Guantanamo have received several hundred times more coverage in France. The same applies to recent reports describing French prison conditions as among the worst in Europe: nary a word in the local French press. Again, the French citizenry is completely in the dark about these reports.<br />
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<b>The role of the press as an key participant in what is described as the Vichy Syndrome goes much further in explaining the initial hesitation, the subsequent defensiveness, and now the outright censorship of the French media in covering the current ethnic unrest. </b>
by 'Gabriel Gonzalez' on November 14, 2005
('Gabriel Gonzalez' writes from Paris, France.)
The behavior of the French media establishment since the outset of the ethnic turmoil that has spread throughout the country has attracted a great deal of commentary, in particular in the blogosphere. Most recently, the local media have been more or less openly censoring coverage as a "public service". The official media explanation is that they are exercising their citizenly responsibility of avoiding fanning the flames of the unrest, so as not to give encouragement to the delinquents carrying out the violence. There is no doubt some truth to this, though it is not entirely consistent with the French media's enthusiasm in hyping other forms of "legitimate" social unrest: whether it be striking truck drivers, or firemen or police blocking public highways; discontented farmers or fisherman destroying property, burning down public buildings and vehicles; or public railway workers sabotaging transportation facilities or hijacking ferry boats; or even Palestinian suicide bombers "resisting" Israeli oppression or Iraqi "insurgents" fighting the American occupation.
Others have interpreted the relative downplaying of the violence by the French media as a sign of political correctness or "multiculturalism", i.e. an attempt to minimize the extent of the violence lest if reflect poorly on the perpetrators or play into the hands of the parties of the far right, such as the Front national. There are even claims that the U.S. media is engaged in similar sins of omission or distortion. I am even not entirely convinced there is much basis for this interpretation which seems little more than a projection by those making the claim of their own world views and biases (none of us of course are completely immune from this tendency).
In any event, neither explanation an interest in contributing to restoring public order by not giving the perpetrators a wide audience or a desire to appease multiculturalists or far right extremists addresses the crucial role that the French media establishment plays in preserving, promoting and protecting the national image of French grandeur and moral superiority by limiting the damage caused by the riots.
This has been a far more important factor in explaining French media coverage (or non-coverage) and presentation of the recent and still ongoing riots.
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Consider: After the first few days of rioting, the French press had hardly begun to cover the violence, and none of the major dailies Le Monde, Le Figaro or Libération had given serious first page treatment (in particular, above the fold) to events that were of clear social, political and historical importance from the outset. All three papers were far too busy covering the allegations of secret CIA detention centers, first revealed in the Washington Post, and the continuing public transportation strike in Marseille. Both of these topics the CIA and the labor strikes fit in neatly with a French establishment obsession with defense of the "modèle français" in both economic policy as well as foreign policy that has dominated the recent political debate (and thus the establishment media debate) in the recent past, most notably in connection with economic reform proposals and the European constitution.
By contrast, race riots by unassimilated minorities do not fit well with the terms on which the defense of the French model as the centerpiece of virtually all recent French policy debate has been conducted, in particular the supposition that there is a universal societal interest in defending the entrenched rights of major labor unions, big state controlled companies, protected public service sector employees, early retirees with fat severance packages, as well as the interests of all of the other soon-to-retire boomers whose worldview defines the current establishment in power , and who have delusions of living off future generations (including presumably "immigrants") while continuing to point their fingers at the capitalists, imperialist Americans, occupying Jews, etc. as the cause of all of the world's ills.
By the fourth day of riots, the local French media establishment were devoting a great part of their "coverage" to attacking foreign (in particular American) media for supposedly exaggerating the gravity of the events in France: the main private broadcast channel TF1 (and its cable affiliate LCI) attacked CNN for comparisons with the 1992 L.A. riots how ridiculous! Barely a hundred cars had been torched (we are now counting towards 8,000). The other major networks and newspapers were busy attacking the U.S. print media as well as Fox News for supposed hyperbole and unjustified meddling. More recently, the French Minister of Tourism has been making the rounds on French television and radio shows to discuss the "unwarranted" misrepresentation of the French disturbances by foreign in particular American media with the supposed aim of maliciously wooing away foreign tourists by slandering La République.
This concern of the French media for the protection of the national image unmatched in any other major Western democracy corresponds to both the recent practice of the French media as well as a long-term pattern dating back to the post-WWII "Vichy Syndrome". What characterizes this syndrome is a concerted effort on the part of the major social and political institutions government, the main political parties, the press, academia to ignore, deny, downplay, rationalize or excuse reprehensible behaviour, often collective, that reflects poorly on the Nation. The syndrome supposes a tacit agreement between all of these social actors, with the active complicity of a pliant population, aimed at protecting a national image at the expense of the truth or rectification of past injustices. (I have written about these relationships in the past in relation to French foreign policy generally.)
Some recent examples:
Even as of this date, the French media has devoted more space to the supposed injustices to African Americans revealed by "Katrina" a natural disaster in a foreign country as the riots in its own back yard.
In September and October, as numerous present and former French government officials and diplomats were being charged with receiving oil allocations in the Oil-For-Food scandal, the major papers had not publish a lead article on the scandal, and devoted as much attention to Bush's woes with Harriet Miers' nomination (completely misrepresented, by the way, in the French press).
Last month, as hundreds of French companies were revealed in the Volcker Report to have paid bribes to the Iraqi regime, the French media was paying more attention to charges against the U.S. Vice President's chief of staff for "illegally exposing" a CIA agent in violation of U.S. national security laws (again reflecting the distortions in the French establishment presentation). As dozens of Chirac's cronies in the governing party were being sentenced to prison terms earlier this month for corruption including Chirac's former chief of staff this received scant coverage in the French media, which were again far more concerned with Katrina, Lewis Libby, and George Bush's other woes.
A few days ago was the anniversary of the massacre by the French army of over a dozen unarmed civilians assembled in front of the Hotel Ivoire in Abidjan. This massacre had followed other incidents in which the French army gunned down unarmed Ivory Coast civilians. Even though these incidents were captured by live television cameras, none of the footage was broadcast on French TV. As a result, the French citizenry is blissfully ignorant of these event. By contrast, U.S. malfeasance at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq has received several hundred times more coverage in Le Monde, Le Figaro, Libération and French television news channels. As a result, the French citizenry is entirely ignorant of these events. (It should also be noted that several French policeman caught on film this week mercilessly beating defenseless adolescents in the banlieux have been detained and charged. Unlike in the case of Rodney King or the fabricated incident of Mohammed Al-Dura, you will never see this tape on French TV.)
In April of this year, Amnesty International published a damning report criticizing the French police for its abusive treatment of Arab and African minorities, including murder and torture. This report received virtually no coverage in the French press, left, right or center. Too damaging to the national image. Again, the plight of black victims of hurricane Katrina or the treatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib or the horrors of Guantanamo have received several hundred times more coverage in France. The same applies to recent reports describing French prison conditions as among the worst in Europe: nary a word in the local French press. Again, the French citizenry is completely in the dark about these reports.
The role of the press as an key participant in what is described as the Vichy Syndrome goes much further in explaining the initial hesitation, the subsequent defensiveness, and now the outright censorship of the French media in covering the current ethnic unrest.
For reasons that I will come back to in a later piece, this does not bode well for France's ability to deal with the social, political, security and economic problem of assimilation of its ethnic underclass without effective political representation within the terms of the current framework of debate shared by all of the political parties, from the Communists and Socialists to the Gaullists and rightist Nationalists centered around the idea of a unique French "modèle social" in which there is no room for the demands of that underclass.
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en>fr fr>en By Trever Comments: 5935, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005On Mon Nov 14, 2005 03:29 PM
"Even as of this date, the French media has devoted more space to the supposed injustices to African Americans revealed by "Katrina" a natural disaster in a foreign country as the riots in its own back yard."
Oh, how the French elites DO love to gripe about US failures and imperfections. It's like hearing an aging whorehouse madam complaining about sexual immorality in today's youth. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By angry_kafir Comments: 1893, member since Wed Jun 29, 2005On Mon Nov 14, 2005 05:28 PM
Living in denial... | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Trever Comments: 5935, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005On Mon Nov 14, 2005 05:33 PM
Edited by Trever (78442) on 2005-11-14 17:56:39
"Living in Denial"?
No, insisting on reality. No American I know of thinks America is without serious problems. Speaking for myself, I'm just tired of France gloating over our troubles, as if that makes France superior. Now we're gloating a bit, and serves France right. Now get back to fixing your own mess, and maybe we'll tone down our rhetoric a bit. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By mclark Comments: 3491, member since Wed Mar 12, 2003On Mon Nov 14, 2005 05:59 PM
Edited by mclark (59403) on 2005-11-14 18:00:39
Put a good thing on everything French. Put a bad face on everything American, everything Anglo-Saxon. That is the morale that has been governing France for centuries.
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil about France. Hear, see and speak nothing but evil about America.
I guess we're seeing how well it work as a guiding national ethic. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By z_french_r_fried Comments: 17321, member since Fri Apr 25, 2003On Mon Nov 14, 2005 06:41 PM
Put a good thing on everything French. Put a bad face on everything American, everything Anglo-Saxon. That is the morale that has been governing France for centuries.
And we have the result....a fuckin' muslim cuntry-to-be.....enjoy your life you fuckin' american-backstabbing pieces of merde.
fuck franch! | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By Chirac_estun_ver Comments: 16913, member since Sun Mar 30, 2003On Mon Nov 14, 2005 06:47 PM
the outright censorship of the French media in covering the current ethnic unrest. I didn't realize it was censorship. I just thought they were outright liars and gossips, like half of our press.
Are there any major French media sources that disagree with each other or do they simply repeat one other? | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By FrenchAreToast Comments: 8426, member since Mon Aug 18, 2003On Mon Nov 21, 2005 06:59 PM
Now I understand why so many French here criticize the "over exposure" to this news by the American media.
Compared to the French censorship of it, it is over exposed in this country.
Then they have the gaul to say we Americans are "brainwashed". ROFL ! | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By AntiFrench Comments: 50103, member since Sat Aug 25, 2001On Mon Nov 21, 2005 07:14 PM
Nahn_Cee finds a lot of good ones about the FROGS. Good for her, and let the frogs sink deeper into their pathetic denial.
Fascist, police state = fWance!
Confirmed again! Sad, so sad. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By captainamerican Comments: 12361, member since Sat Nov 05, 2005On Mon Nov 21, 2005 09:32 PM
The behavior of the french media establishment since the outset of the of the ethnic turmoil that has spread throughout the country has attracted a great deal of commentary, in particular in the blogosphere. Most recntly, the local media has been more or less CENSORING coverage as a "public service". The oficial media explanation is that they are exercising their citizenly responsibility of avoiding faning flames of unrest, so as not to give encouragement to the delinquents carrying out the violence.
the writer is saying that even the Media in France calls the Jihadiis "delinquents", these people aren't cutting school, most of them are kicked out or just quit school or never went to begin with.
The same kind of media that is censoring the riots in France is censoring the good news that is coming out of Iraq here in America! What is the difference between the main stream media in France and the one in America? they are both on the same page and have a similar agenda. they both are ensuring that the end justifies the means for both stories!
Can't BIG MEDIA realize more people are turning to the internet for the real news! this is why the free thinkers in the world are turning away from T.V. and print journalism. BIG MEDIA has become so self serving that it has to lie to itself in order to survive. not for long.(pay no attention to the man behind the curtain) free speech resides on the internet, not on the printed page anymore, and surely not at the anchor desk either! | re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By Trever Comments: 5935, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005On Tue Jan 29, 2008 05:37 PM
captainamerican,
I suppose that if the media were to report all the news fairly and honestly, people would run screaming from their living rooms. But it's clear enough to me that we need alternative news networks like Fox, which are biased in their own right but serve as a counterweight to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, and public TV stations. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By Mouse Comments: 12046, member since Wed May 25, 2005On Tue Jan 29, 2008 05:40 PM
Trever wrote:
captainamerican,
I suppose that if the media were to report all the news fairly and honestly, people would run screaming from their living rooms. But it's clear enough to me that we need alternative news networks like Fox, which are biased in their own right but serve as a counterweight to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, and public TV stations.
Why are you bumping a thread from 2005? | re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By ledzep Comments: 13838, member since Tue Jul 12, 2005On Tue Jan 29, 2008 05:47 PM
Better to ask "how" he bumped a thread from 2005?  | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By muhad_eezbaq Comments: 3357, member since Wed Apr 11, 2007On Tue Jan 29, 2008 05:50 PM
ledzep wrote:
Better to ask "how" he bumped a thread from 2005? 
it's called a tear in the space-time continuum, darling
you'll understand how to do this when you'll be an operating thetan. I can teach you how to become one for just 100K a day. Payable in advance. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By VaeVictis Comments: 1090, member since Wed Jul 18, 2007On Tue Jan 29, 2008 06:28 PM
Better yet ask how Trever DISCOVERED you could bump any old thread from now on... Is he BALM's duplicate account? Why did BALM do this, if not to please Baltic and fuck up the place? | |
re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By Michelus Comments: 1496, member since Fri Mar 02, 2007On Tue Jan 29, 2008 06:39 PM
What the hell! A thread from 2005, how did Trever find it, mystery...
What happened to NahnCee anyway? | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By Mouse Comments: 12046, member since Wed May 25, 2005On Tue Jan 29, 2008 06:45 PM
Edited by mouser (76926) on 2008-01-29 18:48:21 *lol* didn't read muhad_eezbaq...post....
What happened to NahnCee anyway?
She was rubbing her clit too furiously and caused a rip in the space-time continuum... | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Mouse Comments: 12046, member since Wed May 25, 2005On Tue Jan 29, 2008 06:52 PM
In all honesty...I haven't seen the 'piece of work' posting at any of the usual sites (outside of FF)...I use to see her post at...
Same old shit from her *lol*...and same sane people telling her to go fuck herself
/Nobody missed her...except here...funny that.. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By NahnCee Comments: 12093, member since Mon Oct 13, 2003On Tue Jan 29, 2008 08:23 PM
 Mouser, I left because the French became boring, the Canucks insufferable, and rude inmates such as yourself were taking over the asylum. Stupid snark is no fun, so I took my football elsewhere to play. Interesting that the places I play in now you are not familiar with, perhaps because they use three-syllable words, algorithms and various sorts of citations, so you'd probably want to avoid them.
I've been asked to rejoin the fold here by a couple of regulars, and am considering it -- but haven't tripped yet across anything sufficiently devastating to France to feel compelled. I wonder if you would have been sought out, if you suddenly fell off the face of the etheric. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By mahalo Comments: 16306, member since Sat Nov 15, 2003On Tue Jan 29, 2008 09:18 PM
Welcome back nahn.
There is always a reason to dislike France. Now we have to try a little harder. You can always post about the election or the beaner invasion too if you want. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By frederick Comments: 20002, member since Mon Mar 14, 2005On Tue Jan 29, 2008 09:31 PM
Welcome back, NahnCee. I enjoyed your posts over at Wretchard's place.
Check out the level of cretinism in France nowadays. Making a shithead of a bank trader into a national hero because he engaged in economic destruction. When I read the story at Bombs' thread tonight I was stunned by the incredible perverseness of it all. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By Michelus Comments: 1496, member since Fri Mar 02, 2007On Wed Jan 30, 2008 04:46 PM
The other sites are lame, FF is still more entertaining and tolerant with its scum members.  | re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By ledzep Comments: 13838, member since Tue Jul 12, 2005On Wed Jan 30, 2008 04:53 PM
In all honesty...I haven't seen the 'piece of work'
ROFLMAO, nice phrase, it is perfect.
Nahnsense the crazy weirdo creepy bitch went away because I was buggin her too much LOL. She was the queen of the Mod Button, she was by far the highest user of the rat out tool.
Weird how that creepy freak shows up and at the same time her twin nutbar, AuntPsycho, seems to be right there with her, Hmmmmm......
Oh lord I hope these mental study cases stay on, I may find some purpose for FF again.  | re: France: Censorship and the National Image en>fr fr>en By suvrata Comments: 1005, member since Tue Aug 22, 2006On Wed Jan 30, 2008 05:14 PM
Heart warming to see AntiFrench and NahnCee bashing again.
NahnCee, there's plenty of stuff to comment on. france is nearly in meltdown with debt, multiculti, and anti-us-euroarab-alliance nonsense. | re: France: Censorship and the National Image (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By Mouse Comments: 12046, member since Wed May 25, 2005On Wed Jan 30, 2008 05:18 PM
I wonder if you would have been sought out, if you suddenly fell off the face of the etheric.
I don't have tits...sugar ass..you go on believing it's anything more than that
PS: you can't fall off the etheric...*lol* sure that's the word you were looking for? | ReplySendWatchMessage locked, no more replies allowed
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