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Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 27)  en>fr fr>en
By Bombs_Away_LeMaymember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 13417, member since Mon Jan 06, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 04:20 PM
Edited by Bombs_Away_LeMay (53615) on 2003-05-17 16:27:41
Like those in the USSR of Brezhnev, French leaders compensate with a ruinous foreign activism for their inability to begin crucial internal reforms, which are impossible because they would call into question the socialist dogma at the foundation of the French state. In both cases, foreign activism both accelerates and accentuates the internal crisis. We saw what became of the Soviet Union. In France, the evidence of the decay of the state has been mounting for two years and the Iraq matter acted to reveal this.Make no mistake, Chiraq's France is the enemy

The choices French diplomacy made

Françoise Thom
Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne
French original: "Les choix de la diplomatie française"
Institut Hayek Institute, 2003/05/06
Translated by Douglas Gillison

The choices French diplomacy made, by Françoise Thom

France has taken being the land of the consensus too far. In no area is this consensus more visible than that of foreign policy. Yet, in no area should the choices made by French officials be subjected to greater scrutiny and debate, given their implications and probable consequences for the evolution of the country and for that of Europe.

Unfortunately, this debate is entirely impossible for the French are daily under fire from a press cemented together by Gallic leftism. They instinctively feel the dangers to which they are exposed by the attitudes that the Chirac-Villepin duo has imposed on French diplomacy. They are ill at ease before the recent upheavals in international order and by France’s internal evolution but their elected officials, intimidated by the monolithic thinking percolated through programs and articles, only rarely give voice to the deaf anxieties experienced by France’s lesser castes.

Of what has been done, nothing can be repaired. But this is no reason to persist in our forward flight. The page is turning on the Iraq crisis. The moment has come to pause and take stock of our recent actions.

To evaluate a foreign policy, one must ask oneself two questions. The first is whether this policy favors the realization of the desired objectives. The second consists in asking whether those objectives correspond to the real interest of the nation.

The prime objective of French diplomacy is the unconditional containment of the United States.

Whatever the Americans do, France feels it is absolutely necessary to put a stick between their spokes. The neo-Gaulists think that France will attain a role worthy of itself in the international scene if it takes the lead in opposition to the American “hyper-power.”

Chriac’s France is European because it views Europe as a rival pillar to the United States and it easily imagines itself in an hegemonic position in this anti-American Europe.

Chirac’s France champions the UN, which general de Gaulle once called a “contraption,” because it thinks its seat on the Security Council is a privileged instrument for the containment of the United States while bestowing a certain gravity upon France in the international community, to which neither its economic successes nor its cultural importance permit it to lay claim.

And therefore the goals that Chirac’s foreign policy has set for itself are the struggle against American unilateralism, the transformation of the Common Foreign and Security Policy from a statement of intentions to an institutional reality and the elevation of France to the status of a power whose voice is heard on the global stage.

In every one of these aims, France has obtained results that are the opposite of those it had been pursuing.

French obstructionism in the United Nations, the tour of 14 capitals taken by the minister of foreign affairs in the hope of preventing the use of force against Saddam, taken together with less recent snubs, such as Libya’s election to the presidency of the Human Rights Commission, further accentuated the already pronounced penchant of the American administration for unilateralism. More than ever, the United States are losing interest in the UN. Yet past experience shows that without American power, the UN is only a formal entity. So the French attitude has sabotaged the United Nations, while Paris claimed to be strengthening it.

Furthermore, stalwart French efforts to undermine NATO seem to have borne fruit after the Franco-German refusal of to give the alliance’s military assistance to Turkey. Yet again, French behavior succeeded only in heightening the Bush administration’s already marked tendency toward unilateralism.

Now let’s examine the fruits of Chirac’s diplomacy in Europe.

In reading an account of the numerous debates that animated the the European convention, one gets the impression that Europeans are united on one point only: the necessity to contain France’s ambitions.

Paris has harbored the delusion that it is resurrecting the Franco-German duo. One has only to read the German press to realize that on the other side of the Rhine we are much despised for having exploited a difficult moment for Germany, the isolation in which Berlin found itself following an electoral campaign that resorted to anti-Americanism. Germany is frightened by French extravagance.

“No one really knows what is pushing Chirac to oppose the United States to such a degree. This can only worry us. It is a frightening situation,” Michael Glos said recently. He is a member of parliament from the CSU. (For the German attitude, see the article by Thibaut de Champris in Le Figaro of 28 March 2003).

Germany is struggling to persuade Washington that it does not share the French vision of a Europe opposed to the United States. When the CDU returns to power, France will pay the bill for the concessions it exacted last autumn.

The rebirth of the Franco-German duo has also aroused grave doubts among the nations of central and eastern Europe who are candidate nations for European enlargement and who, since the Nice summit, had been counting on Germany to counterbalance Paris’ hegemonic tendencies: these apprehensions were aggravated yet again by the crude diatribes of the French president, leaving it to be understood that the price of admission to the EU was total submission to the French view of an anti-American Europe.

Since the Paris-Berlin axis was completed by an understanding with Moscow, we can understand why the nations of the former Communist bloc wondered if it were really worth the trouble of joining a Europe where all the slogans of the bygone Soviet era (the struggle for peace, the struggle against Zionism, against imperialism, social benefits) have returned in force.

The dust-up with London compromises the second project which is dear to French officials: the construction of a European army. Without Franco-British collaboration there can be no European army worthy of the name. There again, Paris’ anti-Atlanticist orientation has not only nipped in the bud the attempt to put European defense on its feet, but it considerably weakened Tony Blair, the most pro-European of British leaders. Nothing better serves the aims of the Europhobes on the other side of the Atlantic than the fracas of French diplomacy.

In brief, wherever it turned, France got the opposite of what it sought.

It wanted a united, anti-American Europe and succeeded in dividing the continent more seriously than it had ever been before.

It had hoped to be the leader to this Europe and found itself isolated opposite an organized coalition of European states. It relations with Britain are moribund and contentious with its Latin sisters, with the dubious support of a hesitant Germany and a Russia that is more than ever given to double-gaming.

It has earned the dangerous enmity of America without having covered its rear-guard.

Strictly from the point of the goals France claimed to be attaining, Chirac’s diplomacy is an overwhelming fiasco.

Now for the fundamental point, namely: to what degree does the attitude of French diplomacy correspond to the real interests of our country.

In its foreign policy, France has in a way put on the boots of the defunct Soviet Union:

* same obstructionist policy at the UN,
* same third-world-ist demagoguery,
* same alliance with the Arab world,
* same ambition to take the lead in a coalition of “anti-imperialist” states against Washington.

France has resurrected Primakov’s old Eurasian master plan, which consisted in creating a Paris-Berlin-Moscow-Beijing axis against the Anglo-Saxons, a goal in which Putin’s Russia no longer believes but in which it encourages Paris because Russia sees it as a way of improving its position in negotiating with Washington.

The anti-American obsession means that France is less than inquisitive as to the nature of regimes to which it lends its support in the name of multipolarity. Iraq, Algeria, Zimbabwe, Sudan: in a word, France seems to get on better with the rogue states and failed states than with the United States whose civilization it shares. It claims to defend international law by leaning on states that ignore all laws.

The comparison to the Soviet Union goes further than it may seem. Indeed, French diplomacy is less inspired by a cynical Realpolitik (whence the failures mentioned above) than by an ideological view of the world. Its anti-Americanism is the projection of its internal jacobinism onto the global stage. The unhealthy French communion in anti-Americanism reveals the start of a drift towards totalitarianism in our country, which was already noticeable by the second round of the elections: Bush has replaced Le Pen in the role of enemy of the people. “Anti-Bushism” can be compared to the “anti-fascism” of the ‘30s and ‘40s: it conceals an obligatory communist-type consensus.

Like those in the USSR of Brezhnev, French leaders compensate with a ruinous foreign activism for their inability to begin crucial internal reforms, which are impossible because they would call into question the socialist dogma at the foundation of the French state. In both cases, foreign activism both accelerates and accentuates the internal crisis. We saw what became of the Soviet Union. In France, the evidence of the decay of the state has been mounting for two years and the Iraq matter acted to reveal this.

French leaders have sought to justify their position on the question of Iraq by emphasizing that France rejected the “clash of civilizations” and consequently favored the integration of French Muslims.

True, president Chirac was hailed in the Arab quarters. But the official anti-Americanism has favored the explosive mixture of a virulent Trotskyite movement, an Islamist movement, an anti-Globalization movement and a third-world-ist movement. This poisonous cocktail feeds not only the youths of the Arab neighborhoods but the high school students sent out to demonstrate for peace by their leftist teachers in the name of “activism.” In this sense, the orientations of French diplomacy only reflect the strident third-world-ization of France, starting with the third-world-ization of minds. President Chirac defies Bush but gives in before to the ghettos.

In a telling way, Dominique de Villepin told parliament that the French position was to bring about the failure of “anglo-Saxon liberalism.” Like most of their Arab interlocutors, French leaders feel the need is more urgent to stand up to the United States, even when they are right, than to start down the path of reforms which could save the state from bankruptcy.

The most serious part of all this is that anti-American passion has numbed the French to the consequences of this deliberate break with the Western camp.

Consequences which were already perceptible in the excesses of the peace demonstrations, in the fact that the French state is less and less able to guarantee the security of goods and persons, starting with that of our Jewish fellow citizens. In the media, the view of the first days of the war in Iraq, often as overtly pro-Saddam propaganda, was clearly irresponsible, to the point of alarming officials with the Ministry of the Interior: according to one of them:

“The depiction of the coalition’s shambles in Iraq is in some areas feeding a form of arrogance which the police on the ground are now witnessing... Just a spark and the anti-Americanism of the ghettos will feed uncontrollable violence” (Le Figaro 3 April, 2003).

Foreign observers wonder at the causes of French madness.

At the moment when the fragility of the French state is becoming visible to all, in the absence of any credible European defense, is it really wise to break with our American ally, to the point that it now views us as an enemy? Even Russia has understood that it has an interest in not stirring things up with America, precisely because of its own internal weaknesses. Russia remains anti-America at bottom but it is keeping a low profile, happy to see France be the lightning rod for Washington — and this strategy is paying off: the American media, for which no word is too harsh in condemning France, find every excuse for Putin.

The first explanation for the behavior of our leaders is irresponsibility — they believe that they will not have to answer to anyone.

This irresponsibility is driven so far that they seem to be surprised at the consequences of their acts: thus they were not expecting the flare-up of francophobia in the United States, convinced they could persist in their provocations of Washington without risking retaliation. The habit of impunity in internal politics ended up giving rise to a disastrous foreign policy, as was exactly the case for the late USSR.

In the case of France, one must add futility and vanity, permanent factors in our diplomacy.

Chirac’s foreign policy is due in part to the anxiety of the political class before the increasingly obvious failure of “republican integration.” Rather than face the danger, we take refuge in denial.

We declare that France does not believe in the “clash of civilizations,” as if denial were enough to erase it. For greater security, we go as far as abolishing the idea of civilization. This is why we seek to deny at all costs the fact that France shares the same civilization as the United States, by cultivating with some fanfare our overflow into extra-legal zones. Anti-Americanism plays a central role in this mechanism.

Our foreign policy thus expresses a sort of preemptive capitulation. France takes the initiative of breaking with the Western camp in the hope of avoiding a battle of wills with its wild and fanatical youth after having failed to tame it. This profound cowardice is hidden behind the exhibited panache of a little country that oppose a big one. The myth of Asterix hides a decidedly more sordid reality. Anti-Americanism makes possible this fraud and the continuance of a policy that risks making us ill beyond repair and sinking all of Europe with us.

watch.windsofchange.net . . .

57 Replies to Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made"

re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Elyse Comments: 1445, member since Sun Apr 13, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 04:34 PM
Hi Bombs. Outstanding post. Chirac and de Villepin are MORONS. It won't be long before Europe puts them back in their box.

The article reminds me of something Henry Kissinger once said, "Much of the prickly style of [France's] diplomacy has been due to attempts by its leaders to perpetuate its role as the center of European policy in an environment increasingly hostile to such aspirations."

Anyway, K+ for the contribution. Have a great weekend.
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By AntiFrench Comments: 50249, member since Sat Aug 25, 2001
On Sat May 17, 2003 04:42 PM
'BOMBS AWAY'.. Your posts are always great and keep up the wonderful FROG BASHING work!! FROGGYSTAN is finished anyway, but it is too funny to see they fall back into the gutter, one day at a time! :D :D

Karma +1!
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By JaqueOffChiraq Comments: 4913, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 04:43 PM
Edited by JaqueOffChiraq (59504) on 2003-05-17 16:44:09
<b>The most serious part of all this is that anti-American passion has numbed the French to the consequences of this deliberate break with the Western camp.

Consequences which were already perceptible in the excesses of the peace demonstrations, in the fact that the French state is less and less able to guarantee the security of goods and persons, starting with that of our Jewish fellow citizens. In the media, the view of the first days of the war in Iraq, often as overtly pro-Saddam propaganda, was clearly irresponsible, to the point of alarming officials with the Ministry of the Interior: according to one of them:

“The depiction of the coalition’s shambles in Iraq is in some areas feeding a form of arrogance which the police on the ground are now witnessing... Just a spark and the anti-Americanism of the ghettos will feed uncontrollable violence” (Le Figaro 3 April, 2003)."</b>

Strike strike strike while your at it ... LMAO - anyway - on the subject at hand. Franchy ... the least of your concerns now is your muslims. USA just keeps getting more pissed at you by the hour. Please keep sending your ignorant politicians around the globe on the tour de tyrants, I personally dont want the anti franch sentiment to end until we're rid of you fuckers for good.


<b>Foreign observers wonder at the causes of French madness.

At the moment when the fragility of the French state is becoming visible to all, in the absence of any credible European defense, is it really wise to break with our American ally, to the point that it now views us as an enemy?</b>

This dude gets it - too bad you other ignorant FRANCH fux here dont have a clue!

<b>Even Russia has understood that it has an interest in not stirring things up with America, precisely because of its own internal weaknesses. Russia remains anti-America at bottom but it is keeping a low profile, happy to see France be the lightning rod for Washington — and this strategy is paying off: the American media, for which no word is too harsh in condemning France, find every excuse for Putin.</b>

LMAO - yup - this frog finally speaks truth!!!


<b>This irresponsibility is driven so far that they seem to be surprised at the consequences of their acts: thus they were not expecting the flare-up of francophobia in the United States, convinced they could persist in their provocations of Washington without risking retaliation. The habit of impunity in internal politics ended up giving rise to a disastrous foreign policy, as was exactly the case for the late USSR.</b>

FUCK this guy has to be American. He's freakin spot on on all points! Hitting these liberal socalista fuckers right between the eyes with every sentence! A fucking masterpiece!



Look for the key word in here: :)

Our foreign policy thus expresses a sort of <b>preemptive capitulation.</b> France takes the initiative of breaking with the Western camp in the hope of avoiding a battle of wills with its wild and fanatical youth after having failed to tame it. This profound <b>cowardice</b> is hidden behind the exhibited panache of a little country that oppose a big one. The myth of Asterix hides a decidedly more sordid reality. <b>Anti-Americanism makes possible this fraud and the continuance of a policy that risks making us ill beyond repair and sinking all of Europe with us.</b>

Bye Bye FRANCH ... the world will be so much better off without your duplicious backstabbing socialist scum and stench.
Bombs - U R Da Bomb Brother! (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By JaqueOffChiraq Comments: 4913, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 04:45 PM
This was a 10+ brother.

Karma-liscious !!!
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By Bombs_Away_LeMaymember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 13417, member since Mon Jan 06, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 04:48 PM
Hi Elyse,

Thanks Elyse :)

Fucking Chiraq is a Madman! And they have Brussels-and it seems Germany-by the balls. Germany will snap out of it, I know they will, good folks the Germans.

But Brussels and the EU Poliburo is a vassal of France. What Chiraq wants to do to the world, America and Europe manifests itself in the EU for God's sake.

Chiraq would try to take the whole world down with him it seems. He's truly fucking mad...

You enjoy your weekend too, Elyse :)
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By Bombs_Away_LeMaymember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 13417, member since Mon Jan 06, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 04:52 PM
Hi friends one and all,

At least there is ONE French MAN left in France, huh? The author is so matter of fact about it, it scares me shitless about the level of insanity currently in the Elysee. It's fucking unbelievable...

A candid look at the inside workings of French diplomacy. My God...

Enjoy your evenings all :)
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By z_french_r_fried Comments: 17347, member since Fri Apr 25, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 04:59 PM
Edited by z_french_r_fried (63815) on 2003-05-17 17:02:47
"The prime objective of French diplomacy is the unconditional containment of the United States."


So right and oh so wrong (for franch). k+ for this post. I think this is the best-written piece at the ff site thus far. Says it all. Somehow I don't think we'll be seeing too many pro-franchie replies on this thread. And if we do you can bet they'll be the luzers extroadinaire, hissing and snapping in the corner. :D



THE FRENCH ARE FUCKED!! yeah!
France.... (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Jifster777 Comments: 1375, member since Sat Mar 29, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:03 PM
Edited by Jifster777 (61187) on 2003-05-17 17:04:49
France likes to think it has more power and position than it really does. It is a moderate power and can be heard by others but it doesn't have the power to shape the world..or even shape its own backyard. France maybe relevant to the E.U. but when it comes to the United States it isn't crucial. We really don't need French help or cooperation. Britain, Japan, S. Korea and a few friendly countries (any will do) in eastern Europe or the middle-east is all we need to exert our will upon the world. Good luck with all that negotiating Chiraque. We are deaf to your lies. We don't need you and France is more of a liability rather than an asset. France is a replacable ally, nice to have but not necessary. I think Chiraque forgot that.
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Sacre_Bleu_Balls Comments: 1168, member since Thu Apr 24, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:11 PM
Who will weep for the french?
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By JaqueOffChiraq Comments: 4913, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:15 PM
"Who will weep for the french? "

No one .... but the bigger question is ....

Who will recover the NUKES, after they surrender to the next 100% unified strike?

What a clusterfucked cesspool.

I cant beleive the Euro-peons put up with these fucktard frogs, and give them any kind of authoritative voice in anything other than toilet and street cleaning.
Voila! (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By WineandCoke Comments: 18796, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:16 PM
The prime objective of French diplomacy is the unconditional containment of the United States.
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This was clear even under Hubert Vedrine, though he was slyer (and a lot more gifted and charming and fun) at concealing it.
Have the current French leaders gone mad? Don't they see where the real danger to their way of life and freedoms is coming from? Is it McDonald's Happy Meals...or the suicide bombers from Casablanca or Bali?
There's a wonderful La Fontaine fable about a toad (or is it a frog--I can't remember) that wants to become as big as an ox. So he huffs and puffs and blows himself up so big that...
Didn't Chirac and de Villepin learn that fable when they were young?
(Bombs---outstanding post!)
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Sacre_Bleu_Balls Comments: 1168, member since Thu Apr 24, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:20 PM
"Who will recover the NUKES, after they surrender to the next 100% unified strike?"

Troof. I wonder who guards the nukes when the french surrender brigades go no strike for more vacation time?
great find en>fr fr>en
By francaissontpede Comments: 2350, member since Tue Apr 29, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:25 PM
loved it
k+
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By chiraqmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 5493, member since Tue Mar 25, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:27 PM
If there were any significant dissent of this type within the French press or population, I wouldn't be here on this site, and that's a fact.
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" en>fr fr>en
By JaqueOffChiraq Comments: 4913, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:51 PM
This is alarming ....

FRANCH NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE AXIS OF EVIL.


" Mr. Sensenbrenner stated in the letter that giving travel documents to Iraqi officials could threaten U.S. national security because French passport holders are part of a visa-waiver program. "

Visa Waiver program? WTF is that? What moron came up with that great idea? There should be NO Visa Waiver program to get into USa except for US citizens returning home.
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" en>fr fr>en
By sternboden Comments: 9038, member since Fri Apr 11, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:53 PM
The only way I can figure to give you multiple K's is to rate your follow-ups, too.

So, K+ three times!

--Sternboden
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Bombs_Away_LeMaymember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 13417, member since Mon Jan 06, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:54 PM
Chiraq

"If there were any significant dissent of this type within the French press or population, I wouldn't be here on this site, and that's a fact."

Karma, Chiraq. Well said. (and Le Pen don't count either...)
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" en>fr fr>en
By USALeadsJustly Comments: 1165, member since Fri Apr 25, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 05:56 PM
Bombs_Away,

They should delete all other articles on this board. This post says it all. Absolutely. And I'm not saying that because I'm American. I'm also objective. No one can write a quality article praising Shitraq's policies, because there's nothing to praise.
Scary to see how one single man with a few cronies can take his country down with him.
Karma+ to you!
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" en>fr fr>en
By BigDaddyCruzmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 19653, member since Mon Mar 10, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 06:00 PM
preemptive capitulation

That word seems so fitting for the froggies.
The Chocies French Diplomacy Made en>fr fr>en
By mclark Comments: 3491, member since Wed Mar 12, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 06:02 PM
I think this is the smartest article I've seen come out of France since JC and his alter-ego helped created the Great Divide.

Thanks for posting it.

MJC
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" en>fr fr>en
By Boveman Comments: 3970, member since Tue Feb 25, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 06:06 PM
Bombs

excellent article. a Frenchman brought it to my attention :D K+1 :)
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" en>fr fr>en
By sternboden Comments: 9038, member since Fri Apr 11, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 06:11 PM
At least there is ONE French MAN left in France, huh?
No, I'm afraid not :) Lookey here:

Image hotlink - 'http://www.european-security.com/img/fthom02b1-s.jpg'
Oh, boy. I can imagine what everybody on FF is going to say when they realize that Françoise Thom is a woman.

:D

Uncle Zipper has a daughter named Claude.
Image hotlink - 'http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1615000/images/_1615455_claude150.jpg'

--Sternboden
The frogs and their failure are so transparent (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By JaqueOffChiraq Comments: 4913, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 06:13 PM
French Globalists Want to Tax U.S. and Rest of the World

Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com

Monday, April 7, 2003

WASHINGTON – Globalists have plans for reigning in the United States after the war with Iraq. Their weapon: a worldwide tax to punish wealthy (i.e., successful) countries and correct an “unequal distribution of the natural richness.”
In an article in the Paris newspaper Le Monde, Olivier Giscard d’Estaing, identified in a Google translation as a president of “the Committee of Action for a World Parliament and French section of the European League of Economic Cooperation, calls for an international tax system based on a nation’s gross national product.

Pointedly, the article is titled “After the War.” One can read into that a not-so-subtle implication that the president of the United States has dared to defy his betters in France and Germany and led his country into a war just because his countrymen were threatened with weapons of mass destruction. Time to use the tax hammer to take those Americans down a few notches.

A little over a year ago, on March 16, 2002, NewsMax.com warned, “World government is pounding on our door and demanding that the U.S. surrender its sovereignty and let the United Nations take over our lives. Worldwide taxes would be imposed by people in far-off lands elected by no one.”

At the time, we exposed an organization envisioned as a “Global IRS,” called Economic Security Council (ESC). The worldwide, so-called Tobin tax has been on the agenda of the globalists for decades.

Henry Lamb, chairman of Sovereignty International, has said ESC is intended as a vehicle for formulating the global tax.

In Le Monde, d’Estaing calls for a world tax on three sources: oil production, exports of armaments, and air transport and intercontinental maritime traffic.

The Frenchman says transport is a privileged tool that pollutes. This caricature of air travel as a destructive tool of the idle rich will surprise those in free-enterprise economies who see this conveyance as a means of enabling them to earn their living, conduct commerce and contribute to the economies of their societies.

Countries whose socialist systems lead to double-digit unemployment might have a hard time understanding that. It would also be news to the airlines, which are in dire straits, especially since 9/11.

NewsMax.com has warned repeatedly that some high-tax nations of Europe are looking for ways to punish the United States for creating a prosperous society by encouraging the individual to strive for success as far as his talents and ambition can carry him.

D’Estaing concedes that convincing the rich countries (i.e., you-know-who) that they should be fleeced by a global taxing authority through the United Nations will be a hard sell. But he says it is necessary in the interest of social justice, and correcting past imbalances.

It is noted by d’Estaing and by others whom we have cited in the past that the Tobin tax would surely strengthen the United Nations, even as its recent failures to disarm Saddam Hussein strengthen arguments questioning its value and even the need for its existence.

This move comes at a time when patience in this country with the U.N. is wearing thin. H.R. 1146, as NewsMax reported last week, is picking up support on Capitol Hill. Sponsored by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, it would get the U.S. out of the U.N. and the U.N. out of the U.S.

Even some internationally minded figures such as author-analyst Bill Kristol are willing to consider that proposal.
re: Senior lecturer at Paris-Sorbonne: "The choices French diplomacy made" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By JaqueOffChiraq Comments: 4913, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Sat May 17, 2003 06:16 PM
Francios Thom - is awesome! Female in france - no wonder its clear and concise and accurate. No Frenchman could have pulled off that article - the sackless / spinless little dweebs.
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