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France's secret dirty wars (karma: 9)  en>fr fr>en
By ratman Comments: 6741, member since Sun Apr 06, 2003
On Mon Jun 28, 2004 04:56 PM
In looking after their interests abroad, the French have overlooked bribery, corruption and even genocide. Becky Tinsley reports on a foreign policy based on the cash register<br /> <br /> A nice rundown on Frances role as diseased whore of the world.

France's secret dirty wars
Becky Tinsley
Monday 28th June 2004



In looking after their interests abroad, the French have overlooked bribery, corruption and even genocide. Becky Tinsley reports on a foreign policy based on the cash register

When it comes to foreign policy, opinion polls as well as a sampling of Hollywood blockbusters show that Americans see themselves as the good sheriff, selflessly sorting out a strange and unpredictable world. But as they chew over the congressional report on 9/11, they are clearly struggling to come to terms with the reality of their latest foreign adventure.

In contrast, the French foreign ministry is unambiguous about its role: France is the birthplace of human rights and the cradle of the Enlightenment. Thanks to giants such as Voltaire, France inspired others - for example, in the United States - to liberate themselves from oppressive, corrupt aristocratic elites.

So much for self-image: in practice, the French are running the cash registers in a Wild West whorehouse. Not only do the French, like Edith Piaf, regret nothing: their determination to keep their arms exports booming pushes them to sidestep their own laws, not to mention the international conventions they have signed. While all countries tend to pursue a foreign policy based on self-interest, the French have a network of arms salesmen and military advisers working in concert within their perceived spheres of influence to supply mass murderers.

In an age when world leaders apologise for slavery or the Irish potato famine, and pledge adherence to an ethical foreign policy, the French prefer to overlook the parallels between their conduct in Algeria and the Americans' antics at Abu Ghraib prison. There are few revisionist voices questioning France's ability to embrace such paragons as Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein in any given conflict. One searches for a French politician of the stature of Robin Cook hurling intellectual grenades at their own government's moral inconsistencies.

The Elysee Palace's routine disregard of its clients' human rights records makes President Jacques Chirac's new status as hero of the left and guardian of Europe's conscience on Iraq all the more ironic. This is the same Jacques Chirac who, as French premier in the 1970s, sold Saddam Hussein two nuclear power plants ("This deal with France is the very first concrete step towards production of the Arab atomic bomb," gushed Saddam). Chirac later declared himself "truly fascinated by Saddam Hussein since 1974". France went on to sell the Ba'athist regime $1.5bn of weapons.

In the 1990s, the French oil giant TotalFinaElf spent six years developing the Majnoon and Bin Umar oilfields, representing 25 per cent of Iraq's oil reserves. Alcatel won contracts worth $75m, its main task being to upgrade Baghdad's phone system; Renault sold Iraq $75m worth of farming equipment; and, once the trade embargo was partially lifted, France controlled 25 per cent of Iraq's imports. It is estimated that, in 2001 alone, 60 French firms did $1.5bn in trade under the now-suspect oil-for-food programme. In December 2003, when the US announced it was barring opponents of the Iraq war from bidding for US-financed projects worth $18bn, France professed astonishment. The then French foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, said Iraq's sovereignty should be resolved before reconstruction could begin.



France was more enthusiastic about invading Afghanistan, and it has duly reaped the economic rewards. According to de Villepin, France has made Afghanistan a priority for financial assistance. It pays its 18 per cent share of the European Commission's Humanitarian Aid Office budget, which in turn funds reconstruction. However, unlike the Germans, who are giving an additional $390m (£214m) over the next four years, the French have so far sent only an extra 33.7m (£22.4m) and are being bad-mouthed for not stumping up more in the present deteriorating security situation.

France has total armed forces of 450,000, of whom 5,000 are stationed in African states with which France has a "defence agreement". However, only 550 could be found for Afghanistan, where the Taliban are now resurgent in the south and east, and warlords in the north make the prospect of free and fair elections unlikely.

To be fair, the French are paying for the philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy to go to Afghanistan to "evaluate their needs and expectations". Meanwhile, Alcatel is installing the mobile-phone network for Kabul and five other cities.

In the Balkans, France still enjoys a cosy relationship with Serbia, despite the death of Francois Mitterrand and allegations about his son's business dealings. "Everyone has seen Radovan Karadzic chauffeured around the suburbs of Sarajevo," says Bernard McMahon, an aid worker in Bosnia. "It happens all the time. Karadzic gets out of the car and greets his people like he's a hero. The French peacekeepers must know he's there, because he couldn't be more obvious."

McMahon is a retired British army officer who has been in Bosnia since that war began. He says local Muslims feel betrayed, as war criminals move about freely while French soldiers look the other way. "People believe the French tip off the Serbs every time there's an operation."

Sympathetic observers point to France's large aid budget. At 0.41 per cent of GNP, it is slightly larger than Britain's 0.34, but much more than America's 0.14. A high proportion of this sum goes to Africa and pays for the global network of 1,000 Alliance Francaise centres, a brave attempt to hold back the global spread of US political hegemony, bubblegum culture, and the English language. But Richard Youngs of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace questions France's commitment to propagating democracy, suggesting that its aid is focused on projects which spread French culture, rather than schemes that foster human rights and transparency in government, or fight corruption.

Linda Melvern, author of two studies on the Rwandan genocide, believes that French policy then, as now, is "almost beyond belief. The more one looks into their actions, the worse it gets. The French Senate inquiry into Rwanda was a whitewash . . ."

Her third book about Rwanda will concentrate on the role of France. She has a leaked memo confirming that the French supplied members of the interim government responsible for the massacres with satellite phones to direct operations across the country. "They hand-delivered them by courier," she says. "In the run-up to the massacres, the French had 47 senior officers living with and training the genocidaires. French policy is about influence and money and Francophonie," says Melvern. "They are very professional at manipulating the UN system. By controlling Boutros Boutros-Ghali, their candidate for UN secretary general, they determined what information about the Rwandan genocide reached the outside world."

Perhaps it is unfair to suggest that business interests might be tipping the balance against France's taking a stand on human rights in Sudan. Jemera Rone of Human Rights Watch explains that TotalFinaElf has oil concessions in southern Sudan that it cannot touch until the peace deal between Khartoum and the south sticks. The French are wary of giving the regime in Khartoum a hard time about its ongoing ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity in Darfur, in case it walks away from the southern peace deal, thus imperilling Total's prospects.

Burma is not part of the Elysee Palace's francophone project, but it is of great concern to TotalFinaElf, which has been involved in developing the Yadana gas pipeline project for nine years. The company boasts of "morally irreproachable behaviour on the part of our teams", but it seems its stirring declaration applies only to the salaried employees with written contracts. The Nobel prizewinning democracy campaigner Aung San Suu Kyi says simply: "Total has become the strongest supporter of the Burmese military system."

Lord Alton of Liverpool, a regular visitor to Burma, believes there is a concerted attempt to end sanctions, cleverly orchestrated and probably bankrolled by supporters of the regime. "The leaders of the National League for Democracy and Burma's ethnic minorities are quite clear: no embargo should be lifted until significant moves have been made towards democracy. Rewarding a regime that has committed genocide against the Karen, imprisoned political dissidents and coerced vast numbers into forced labour would be a classic example of western economic interests triumphing over humanitarian and human rights concerns."



Perhaps the nation that brought us the Enlightenment has the best of motives in lobbying enthusiastically - as it currently is - to end the EU sanctions on selling military equipment to China, imposed after the 1989 crackdown on the Tiananmen Square protests. French exports increased 32 per cent to 4.6bn (£3.1bn) last year, and Chirac's backing for China is unwavering. He has warned Taipei not to provoke its giant neighbour; and he did so, undiplomatically, during a state visit to Paris by the Chinese president in January.

Maybe the French believe that human rights in China are improving. They would do well to consider the British manufacturer who supplies supermarkets with salads, and who sourced walnuts from China. He received customer complaints from people who had found human teeth in their food. Further investigation revealed that the walnuts were being cracked open by Chinese political prisoners using their teeth.

Andrew Wood from the Campaign Against Arms Trade says: "France is consistently in the top four arms suppliers and, in recent times, has been the lead supplier to developing nations as well as conflict zones like the Middle East and India/Pakistan."

A director of one of Marconi's military equipment businesses remarks that "the rest of us are amateurs. The French have a network of unaccountable government agencies and retired military officers helping arms manufacturers promote their goods. They link aid deals, credit guarantees and sweeteners, and they get the big sales. The British are getting better at this, but we're not in the same league as the French."

Amnesty International has criticised France for the lack of transparency of these agencies, and for their involvement in military services consultancies, particularly in Africa. "The French government still fails to ensure its export-licence and end-use monitoring systems prevent such transfer falling into the hands of those who have been responsible for human rights violations."

A book by Andrew Swindells due to be published early next year reveals the cynicism with which French interests are pursued in "la France Afrique". "Everything with France is about business, and nothing would make them blush. Officials shrug and say, 'Many people have died: c'est la vie.'" He believes that the Elf (part of the ubiquitous TotalFinaElf) corruption trial of 2003 gave us all a lesson in how France does business abroad.

But perhaps the most damaging consequence of France's policy is its vigorous defence of the annual 41.5bn (£27.5bn) of European Union agricultural subsidies, of which it takes 22 per cent, the largest share. Most NGOs believe little will improve in Africa while the EU, the United States and Japan dump cheap surpluses there. Farming accounts for 70 per cent of employment in Africa, and genuine fair trade is seen as one of the few ways to make globalisation work for the developing world. However, Oxfam claims, the French government is leading the anti-reformists, refusing to consider substantive reform until 2006.

Alongside the blatantly commercial focus of French foreign policy is France's desperation to keep its place on the UN Security Council. The Elysee's self-image is one of a wise and shrewd world power stiffening Europe's nerve against bloated US imperial ambition. No doubt the French are sincere - but listen carefully, and you will hear the ring of a cash register.

www.newstatesman.com . . .

30 Replies to France's secret dirty wars

New Sttaesman is wrong on one point en>fr fr>en
By Pierre_a_real_1 Comments: 5846, member since Fri Feb 14, 2003
On Mon Jun 28, 2004 05:18 PM
"In the 1990s, the French oil giant TotalFinaElf spent six years developing the Majnoon and Bin Umar oilfields, representing 25 per cent of Iraq's oil reserves".

No, Total (it was before the merger with Fina then with Elf) discussed for six years and studied the development of these giant fields; contract were signed but their enforcement was defferred, pending the removal of the UN sanctions.

What was wrong?
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By TexanForever Comments: 21013, member since Thu Jun 10, 2004
On Mon Jun 28, 2004 05:50 PM
...."France inspired others - for example, in the United States - to liberate themselves from oppressive, corrupt aristocratic elites."
Oh, I see. ...How silly of me to miss it. ...The French revolution served as an an example to the Americans, and they decided to have an American revolution." ....Makes sense,......(To a froggie.!!)

....fUGG frANTS..!!!
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By nuv0t Comments: 3478, member since Fri Aug 08, 2003
On Mon Jun 28, 2004 05:59 PM
What a whore of a country France is! Time for Frogs to get off the moral high horse
re: France's secret dirty wars (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Ihatehippies Comments: 7776, member since Mon Mar 24, 2003
On Mon Jun 28, 2004 07:28 PM
.."France inspired others - for example, in the United States - to liberate themselves from oppressive, corrupt aristocratic elites."


American Revolution ....1776

French revolution.....1789.
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By z_french_r_fried Comments: 17347, member since Fri Apr 25, 2003
On Mon Jun 28, 2004 07:33 PM
So much for self-image: in practice, the French are running the cash registers in a Wild West whorehouse.


k+

fuck franch.....enemies of western civilization.
re: France's secret dirty wars (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By Franken Comments: 5088, member since Sun Apr 27, 2003
On Tue Jun 29, 2004 02:07 AM
"Thanks to giants such as Voltaire , France inspired others - for example, in the United States - to liberate themselves from oppressive, corrupt aristocratic elites."

VOLTAIRE (1694-1778) a great French literary figure
American Revolution : 1776

Fuckfrance French bashers are incredible.
They can´t even understand French bashing articles ! :D

In fact most can´t even read.
Those who can read can´t understand.
And the few who could understand don´t even care what posts are about as long as they can bash.

God bless America :D
ratman en>fr fr>en
By Prescottmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 11402, member since Thu Feb 13, 2003
On Tue Jun 29, 2004 02:21 AM
Edited by Prescott (56439) on 2004-06-29 02:23:40
K+ for this good paper on French corruption. Keep up the good work :D
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By LondonCalling Comments: 8322, member since Fri Jan 24, 2003
On Tue Jun 29, 2004 03:17 AM
K+ Ratman, that's surely worth a place in the 'Must Read' section.
re: France's secret dirty wars (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By pihkalbadger Comments: 227, member since Wed Jun 23, 2004
On Tue Jun 29, 2004 06:57 AM
"Her third book about Rwanda will concentrate on the role of France."

Linda Melvern an excelent Journalist
naturally she despises the french government

www.guardian.co.uk . . .
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By Pallas_Athena Comments: 9910, member since Tue Jul 08, 2003
On Tue Jun 29, 2004 07:15 AM
"France is consistently in the top four arms suppliers...


True. America is by far the numero uno (and the leading supplier of the Middle East), then way behind we find Russia (leading supplier of India and China), then UK (supplier of the Middle-East, India, etc.).

Right on France's heels, we find Israel, (leading supplier of China and India).

Fuckfrance French bashers are incredible.
They can´t even understand French bashing articles !


Karma Franken! :]
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By bellefrance Comments: 682, member since Tue Jun 22, 2004
On Tue Jun 29, 2004 08:31 AM
I agree with you. france is corroupt. they sell weapons all around the world, they amke civil wars for their proofit, Elf controls entire countries in Africa where they oppress thousands.. i could add a lot. this is a scandal but you have to remember that america is worse.
Take a look: Who armed Sadam Hussein during his war against Iran ? France and the usa.
Who attacked irak when they invaded Koweit in 1991 where they had interests ? France and america.
What i'm trying to say is that maybe france isn't innocent and should look at their own shit befor giving lessons but they can never be as bad as america.
who put Pinochet in powere in Chili ? The CIA.
Who formed Bin Laden ? The CIA I could go one for a long time...
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By AntiFrench Comments: 50249, member since Sat Aug 25, 2001
On Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:24 PM
who put Pinochet in powere in Chili ? The CIA.
Who formed Bin Laden ? The CIA I could go one for a long time...


Wrong again, but nice try, stupid-ass Commie shit! I could run circles around you all day long concerning any of this! Please.. COME BACK!

FROGGYSTAN = WORST CUNTRY EVER IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By AntiFrench Comments: 50249, member since Sat Aug 25, 2001
On Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:29 PM
"Her third book about Rwanda will concentrate on the role of France."

Linda Melvern an excelent Journalist
naturally she despises the french government


Huge K for another great, damning and accurate piece about fRance and her genocidal connections in Rwanda. These frogs are definitely the shame of humanity and are on the side of evil, anywhere! NAZIS FOREVER! :(
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By shonPremium member Comments: 708, member since Thu Mar 11, 1999
On Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:30 PM
Ratman, that's surely worth a place in the 'Must Read' section.
I agree with LC. Nice find, ratman!
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By I_brake_4_camels Comments: 13891, member since Thu Feb 13, 2003
On Sun Jul 25, 2004 08:02 PM
France has total armed forces of 450,000, of whom 5,000 are stationed in African states with which France has a "defence agreement". However, only 550 could be found for Afghanistan, where the Taliban are now resurgent in the south and east, and warlords in the north make the prospect of free and fair elections unlikely.


Send those worthless frogs home.
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By mahalo Comments: 16294, member since Sat Nov 15, 2003
On Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:00 PM
Her third book about Rwanda will concentrate on the role of France. She has a leaked memo confirming that the French supplied members of the interim government responsible for the massacres with satellite phones to direct operations across the country. "They hand-delivered them by courier," she says. "In the run-up to the massacres, the French had 47 senior officers living with and training the genocidaires. French policy is about influence and money and Francophonie," says Melvern. "They are very professional at manipulating the UN system. By controlling Boutros Boutros-Ghali, their candidate for UN secretary general, they determined what information about the Rwandan genocide reached the outside world."
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By rcane Comments: 177, member since Tue Jun 22, 2004
On Fri Aug 27, 2004 09:40 PM
American Revolution 1776
French Revolution 1789

It appears it was the Americans who inspired others. How did people get the idea that it was the French?
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By NostragatuS Comments: 4, member since Sat Sep 04, 2004
On Sat Sep 04, 2004 06:06 AM
just go here
www.hiddenmysteries.com . . .

"One of the most illuminating studies of Nazism, this book explains how, in a decade, the Nazi Party developed from a meager collection of poor crackpots into a national organization...The most famous foreign contributors were the <b>American Henry Ford </b>, the Italian Benito Mussolini, and the Anglo-Dutch oil magnate Henri Deterding....The party's remorseless techniques for extracting every pfennig from its desperate followers suggest that Nazism of that period should be classified as a cult or sect, not as a party."
- The New Yorker


and here
www.amazon.com . . .

Buy books, read them, but i think (thanks to) your brains specialist, you will now certainly heard that it was the French government who financed hitler's party....

Just do a search in google on "who financed nazi" but use a proxy if u don't want to see cia breaking your door ...

Repeat after me "French are frogs and we are sheeps"
re: France's secret dirty wars (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Chimere Comments: 3837, member since Thu Apr 08, 2004
On Sat Sep 04, 2004 06:14 AM
Bienvenue NostraGatus.

On te demandera juste de ne pas remonter les threads (relativement) bien documenté, surtout si c'est pour employer une "argumentation" de ce genre.
bonjour en>fr fr>en
By NostragatuS Comments: 4, member since Sat Sep 04, 2004
On Sat Sep 04, 2004 06:29 AM
Thx for the welcome.
Mirage are the Hindu weapon of War en>fr fr>en
By Nakedhindu Comments: 1, member since Wed Sep 08, 2004
On Wed Sep 08, 2004 04:10 AM
French have penetrated indian defence market by Mirage and supplying the Tyrant Indian administration Which kills 1000's of muslims in Kashmir everyday.

Alcatel is having Software development center in Chennai secretly copying other software makers.

The Srilankan Tamils are funded by French Money . France and french are the most womanish crowd in the whole world who will sleep in bed for a quarter franc.
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By WineandCoke Comments: 18796, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Wed Sep 08, 2004 04:40 AM
Who formed Bin Laden ? The CIA I could go one for a long time...
--
Take it from someone who's been plenty of times to Afghanistan: this is just plain wrong. The CIA only trained and supplied Afghans during the anti-Soviet jihad. (One good source: "The Bear Trap," by the former Pak ISI officer who ran the Pak end of supply and training operations.)
TO FRANKEN REGARDING VOLTAIRE en>fr fr>en
By FROGGYTWANGER Comments: 13, member since Mon Jul 05, 2004
On Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:53 PM
Whatever Voltaire learned about democracy came from his long stay in England, a self-imposed exile following his beating by a degenerate noble over a courtesan. When Voltaire was denied justice because his opponent was an aristocrat and he was not, he realized that he was safe only in an Anglo-Saxon country--not unlike De Gaulle, n'est-ce pas?

Voltaire's voluminous writings about religious toleration and parliamentary democracy in England circulated semi-clandestinely in France and helped prepare the ground for the revolution of 1789. Ironically, much of Voltaire's time during his last years was spent at the royal palace of Versailles, where he was honored as an official historian. What a job for a revolutionary!
re: France's secret dirty wars en>fr fr>en
By simplefrench Comments: 65103, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003
On Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:06 AM
ah ce prescott . toujours en train de vomir sur nous .

j'en dis pas plus car tu payes des impots donc tu payes nos hopitaux,nos routes,etc,etc .

j'espere que tu gagnes bien ta vie pour nous donner le plus de fric possible :D

je t'aimes bien PRESCOTT mais je prefere DAVE . lol

qu'est ce qu'il est sympa ce gars .
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