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 France The Age of Terror - Confronting France en>fr fr>en By FrenchAreToast Comments: 8460, member since Mon Aug 18, 2003On Thu Oct 07, 2004 09:46 PM
Last year, shortly before the United States and its allies invaded Iraq, Vice President Cheney asked the French ambassador a pointed question: "Is France an ally or an adversary of the United States?" In the 1980s, President Reagan wondered the same thing.<br />
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The Americans had suspected for a long time that Libya was sponsoring terrorism, but until the West Berlin bombing they had lacked irrefutable evidence.<br />
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Defending the United States, however, would require international cooperation. Aware of her role as America's staunchest ally, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher immediately granted Reagan's request to unleash U.S. Air Force planes based in Great Britain. "The U.K. came through like gang-busters," said Navy secretary John Lehman. <br />
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The French were not so cooperative. President Francois Mitterand flatly denied permission for U.S. warplanes to fly over his country on their way to Libya.
The Age of Terror
Confronting France.
By John J. Miller & Mark Molesky
EDITOR'S NOTE: Last year, shortly before the United States and its allies invaded Iraq, Vice President Cheney asked the French ambassador a pointed question: "Is France an ally or an adversary of the United States?" In the 1980s, President Reagan wondered the same thing.
Here's an excerpt from the new book by NR's John J. Miller and his co-author Mark Molesky, Our Oldest Enemy: A History of America's Disastrous Relationship with France. (For more information on the authors and their book, plus daily commentary on French politics and history, visit their website here.)
In March of 1986, the government of Libyan dictator Muammar al-Qaddafi sent an urgent order to its agents in Europe: Launch terrorist attacks inflicting "maximum and indiscriminate casualties" on American civilian and military targets. Although the United States decoded the ghastly message and went on alert, a bomb exploded early in the morning of April 5 in the bathroom of La Belle, a West Berlin discotheque patronized by American GIs. The blast killed two U.S. Army sergeants and a Turkish woman. Another 229 people, including 78 Americans, were injured. There could be no doubt about Qaddafi's involvement. A few days before the detonation, British intelligence had intercepted a cable from Libya's bureau in East Berlin boasting of "a joyous event" that was about to occur. After the attack, the British intercepted another indiscreet communiqué in which Qaddafi's henchmen gleefully reported on their success and even mentioned the time it had taken place.
Here at last was a clear set of fingerprints. The Americans had suspected for a long time that Libya was sponsoring terrorism, but until the West Berlin bombing they had lacked irrefutable evidence. Within days of the deadly explosion, President Ronald Reagan called for a hard-hitting response and asked the Pentagon to draw up a list of potential targets in Libya, included military facilities and terrorist training camps. "We're going to defend ourselves," Reagan promised at an April 9 press conference.
Defending the United States, however, would require international cooperation. Aware of her role as America's staunchest ally, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher immediately granted Reagan's request to unleash U.S. Air Force planes based in Great Britain. "The U.K. came through like gang-busters," said Navy secretary John Lehman.
The French were not so cooperative. President Francois Mitterand flatly denied permission for U.S. warplanes to fly over his country on their way to Libya. "The refusal upset me," wrote Reagan in his memoirs, "because I believed all civilized nations were in the same boat when it came to resisting terrorism." Others remembered the incident with more anger: "Everyone connected with the attack was furious with [Mitterand's] casual refusal," wrote Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger.
Reagan believed that economics lay behind the rebuff: "France conducted a lot of business with Libya and was typically trying to play both sides." Whatever the motive, French obstruction proved more of an inconvenience than an impediment. American planes on their way to Libya were forced to take a much longer route around the Iberian Peninsula and through the Straits of Gibraltar, adding about 1200 extra miles to the journey and six or seven hours of additional flight time. (Spain also refused to let American planes into its airspace because it did not then support military responses to terrorism.) For American pilots based in Britain, the operation lasted more than 14 hours from takeoff to touchdown, making it the longest fighter mission in U.S. history.
Although two American airmen were killed over Tripoli, the mission was a success. The attack on Libya weakened Qaddafi at home and reduced the number of terrorist incidents linked to him in later years. (There were two awful exceptions: The bombings of Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 and UTA Flight 772 over Niger in 1989.) Reagan showed that a swift and muscular response to terrorism could work. Yet France remained defiant. In a fit of moral equivalence following the raid, the foreign ministry announced that it "deplores the intolerable escalation of terrorism which has led to an action of reprisal which in itself renews the chain of violence."
The war on terrorism is often said to have begun on September 11, 2001, but in truth it began decades earlier. In a fundamental way, 9/11 was a new Pearl Harbor awakening Americans to a serious and ongoing problem that the Europeans had failed to contain. The twin challenges of Islamic radicals committing terrorist atrocities and rogue states plotting to acquire weapons of mass destruction could no longer be overlooked. What would happen if a man like Qaddafi got his hands on a nuclear device? Surely the result would be much worse than a Berlin disco bombing. During the post-Cold War era, however, the Americans and the French would spend much of their time not arguing about how to confront these menaces, but whether to confront them at all. In the end, they would find themselves bitterly confronting each other.
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en>fr fr>en By Uncle_Meat Comments: 21957, member since Sat Mar 15, 2003On Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:03 PM
There is an old Mafia saying:
The first person to offer condolences at the Don's funeral is the one who pulled the trigger.
The very first person to call Bush on 9/11 was Chirac. | Chirac = GLOBAL TERRORIST en>fr fr>en By Sebastian Comments: 9578, member since Wed Apr 23, 2003On Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:20 PM
There is an old Mafia saying:
The first person to offer condolences at the Don's funeral is the one who pulled the trigger.
The very first person to call Bush on 9/11 was Chirac.
There is also another saying to go with your saying :
"Chirac may have not known who did it, but he probably sucked their dicks at one time"  | re: The Age of Terror - Confronting France en>fr fr>en By Minuteman Comments: 3799, member since Sun Oct 26, 2003On Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:27 PM
Defending the United States, however, would require international cooperation. Aware of her role as America's staunchest ally, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher immediately granted Reagan's request to unleash U.S. Air Force planes based in Great Britain. "The U.K. came through like gang-busters," said Navy secretary John Lehman.
Once again our ally proved how loyal they are . And our enemy proved how dupicitious they are . France is not a friend to the USA and have not been for number of years . I think the french's hatred for us lies in the fact that they were weak and we had to liberate them from the nazi regime that half of the french people supported . When the USA had to liberate the french peoples two times within 25 years it showed how thier once great(?) power had become impotent and it hurt thier national pride , the same as our national pride was hurt by Viet Nam .
France is a nation in decline and it rips to the soul of thier pride , to each person in france now has come the question : How do we show the world we are still a valid power , and each time they come to the same conclusion that they are a has been the same as spain has become . However unlike spain, france has no recourse except a major internal revolution ie the 6th republic . I do not know what it will take for france to get its national pride back , however the rest of the world sees through its bravado and france needs a way to redeem itsself from within . Frances last bastion of power is its role on the UN security counsil and if the UN goes the way of the League of Nations , then france will have nothing left to fall back on. France has gotten to the place where that they are paralized by thier own citizens and the cost of civil unrest is soon to topple its own political infrastructure. | re: The Age of Terror - Confronting France en>fr fr>en By JaqueOffChiraq Comments: 4913, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003On Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:47 PM
Vive le ISLAMIZATION of France!
Lets just get it fucking over with and go back to our daily business. This drama has lingered too long.
Ciao froggy, give our regards to your new Mullah, and may Allah shit down your neck. | |
re: The Age of Terror - Confronting France en>fr fr>en By Aegis Comments: 5088, member since Wed Aug 13, 2003On Fri Oct 08, 2004 02:25 AM
Edited by Aegis (71487) on 2004-10-08 02:27:47
Last year, shortly before the United States and its allies invaded Iraq, Vice President Cheney asked the French ambassador a pointed question: "Is France an ally or an adversary of the United States?" In the 1980s, President Reagan wondered the same thing.
The Americans had suspected for a long time that Libya was sponsoring terrorism, but until the West Berlin bombing they had lacked irrefutable evidence.
Defending the United States, however, would require international cooperation. Aware of her role as America's staunchest ally, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher immediately granted Reagan's request to unleash U.S. Air Force planes based in Great Britain. "The U.K. came through like gang-busters," said Navy secretary John Lehman.
The French were not so cooperative. President Francois Mitterand flatly denied permission for U.S. warplanes to fly over his country on their way to Libya. The US warplanes also destroyed libya's friench embassy
It is pretty f**cking obvious where FARCE stands. It is an enemy. An enemy that must stab in the back, not able for a stand-up fight, just like the terrorists. | re: The Age of Terror - Confronting France en>fr fr>en By Prescott  Comments: 11402, member since Thu Feb 13, 2003On Fri Oct 08, 2004 03:12 AM
No trolling, but I'm curious about this:
1. Why didn't they fly from Aviano, Italy which is closer to Tripoli?
2. Or if it had to be the UK, why not fly either over Germany or over Spain?
3. Finally, there is a persistent rumour that they did fly over France, does anybody have more information on that?
| re: The Age of Terror - Confronting France en>fr fr>en By ende Comments: 1144, member since Mon Mar 24, 2003On Fri Oct 08, 2004 03:36 AM
If I had the oppotunity to fly over France in a military jet, I would deffinetly use the precision targeting equipment to drop a vicious shit over the side of the plane. | re: The Age of Terror - Confronting France en>fr fr>en By rcane Comments: 177, member since Tue Jun 22, 2004On Fri Oct 08, 2004 04:40 AM
Spain denied access as well. So why not thru Germany and Italy you say? I'm not sure, maybe a country in the path have denied access as well | ReplySendWatch
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