"Team EU" doesn't exist now, so there is no possibility for any medals to be won by this hypothetical team in these real Olympics. You can hypothesize all you like, but according to your rules, I can't possibly lose.

Damn right! K+

...weasel...

Thats a small German tank

Your describing a hypothetical situation

Right.
This is called a simulation.

You're not talking about the current facts.

Wrong.
Those medals are real, and they have been won by citizens of the European Union.

Maybe it will some day.

The whole point of this thread

I doubt it. But it doesn't matter.

It really doesn't, indeed.

"Team EU" doesn't exist now, so there is no possibility for any medals to be won by this hypothetical team in these real Olympics.

Read again this thread 1st post.
The game is not about "Team EU" medals, but about European Union teams' medals.
And yes, it's very possible to count them: I did it!
I challenge you to find mention of a "EU Team" in the Rules.

according to your rules, I can't possibly lose.

I'm afraid you can't possibly win...

If you try to weasel out of paying, you will be a real-life cheater. (Of imaginary cyber-currency, I'll admit)

I'll take that risk.
Send me your lawyer!

Ok, Arthur:

If no winner in situation 1. to 4., the 5 Ks will go to:

5. The closest EU Gold, Silver and Bronze medals tally.

(The number of wrongly guessed medals will be counted individually for each color. Ex: 1 Bronze too many and 1 Silver too little will count for 2 errors, even if the errors are neutralized in the total)

In case of ties, the 5 Ks will be paid to all winners in that situation.

Bets are still open until Sunday morning 8:00 CET.
I can't change that now...

The Hockey final and the Cross Country skiing 50 km men will be the only 2 events left.

It means that you have many chances to guess the correct results of situations 1. to 4. as soon as saturday evening.

However, if you bet before that, you are more likely to be the 1st to guess the correct answer and get the 40Ks...

Your bet, Arthur, is rather credible, and at least you are sure that no one bet it before you.
You were right to place an early bet!

Good luck!

Situation, end of Day 13, Thursday February 23

Rank Country G S B Total

1 European Union 34 29 31 94
2 Russia 8 3 8 19
3 USA 7 8 5 20
4 Canada 5 8 6 19
5 Switzerland 5 4 4 13
6 South Korea 4 3 1 8
7 Norway 2 8 8 18
8 China 2 3 4 9
9 Croatia 1 2 0 3
10 Australia 1 0 1 2
11 Japon 1 0 0 1
12 Belarus 0 1 0 1
12 Bulgaria 0 1 0 1
14 Ukraine 0 0 2 2







EU detail:

Rank Member-State G S B Total


1 Germany 9 10 5 24
2 Austria 8 6 5 19
3 Sweden 5 2 4 11
4 Italy 4 0 6 10
5 France 3 2 4 9
6 Estonia 3 0 0 3
7 Netherlands 2 2 3 7
8 Finland 0 3 3 6
9 Czech Republic 0 2 0 2
10 Great Britain 0 1 0 1
10 Slovakia 0 1 0 1
12 Latvia 0 0 1 1

Welcome to Japan and Belarus in the medal table.

70 Gold medals have been won so far. 14 more to come.

EU athletes won 45% of the Gold medals so far, 41% of Silver and 46% of the Bronze.

The funneiest thing about this thread, other than watching a delusional drama queen so ashamed of the failure of his own country try to steal credit from other countries, is that even after almost 4000 page views, and 18 pages, only 6 of the dumbest members bothered giving Queenie karma for his stupidity.
fuckfrance.com . . .

Even most of the frogs are ashamed of this moron.

But keep up the good work Queenie, we enjoy laughing at you and enjoy even more the fact that most of the frogs are laughing at you with us.

Keep talking to yourself and bumping your own thread, it's the perfect example of why the french are ridiculed areound the world and why this site is so popular.

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America and the winter games: “If you factor out the ludicrous nouveaux sport created expressly for American juvenile delinquents” (wrote Alex Beam in the B.G) that is aerial freestyle skiing and snowboard cross, the US medal count matches quite nicely with…Switzerland.
On top of that, all top US winter athletes have badly represented their country.
Michelle Kwan, out… the first day. Skater J. Weir missed the bus (literally, real) that was supposed to take him to his race. Bode Miller said he did not care about medals, so… he did not get any while staying in a very expensive suite in his Torino hotel (paid by the US ski federation) while others world athletes stayed 2 in each of the Olympic camp room. Shani Davis, the first African-American to win a gold, did not care participating in another race for the US team, since “I am not a team player” he said (thanks for his US flag!).
You may add to that list, the eliminating of the US Ice Hockey team in quarter final by the small Finland team (US Hockey budget versus Finland’s is 100 to 1 and total population is 60 to 1) and the fact there are no American in the first 8 of the very popular woman Alpine Skiing slalom, no US man in the Cross-Country Skiing final (all eliminated in the heat), no male and female US athlete in Speed Skating finals (none in the first 8).
I would agree if the score board of the medal counts is unhooked from this site.

The funneiest thing about this thread

Is that because you are laughing too much that you skip questions and fail to address real issues?

ashamed of the failure of his own country try to steal credit from other countries

I have no reason to be ashamed of France's results in Turin which are consistent with forecasts.
I really have no reason AT ALL to be ashamed of France's overall Olympic results:

Total Olympics medal count

This is the complete list of all medals won by each participating nation at a Modern Olympic Games. The list includes medals won at the Summer Olympic Games through 2004 and those won at the Winter Olympic Games through 2002. (Note that 2006 will not be added until after the games are finished.)

These rankings sort by the number of gold medals earned by a country (in this context a country is an entity represented by a National Olympic Committee). The number of silvers is taken into consideration next and then the number of bronze. If, after the above, countries are still tied, equal ranking is given and they are listed alphabetically. This follows the system used by the IAAF and BBC and unofficially by the IOC.


Total Olympics Medal Count

Rank Country Total

1 United States 1011 809 694 2514
2 Soviet Union 473 376 355 1204
3 France 232 233 271 736
4 Italy 230 196 206 632
5 Germany 212 216 229 657
6 Great Britain and Northern Ireland 206 255 263 724
7 East Germany 202 189 172 563
8 Sweden 183 188 220 591
9 Hungary 166 149 168 483
10 Norway 153 138 118 409

en.wikipedia.org . . .

See? At least THEY give THEIR definition of what's a "country" in their context.
Something the bashers never did...
But do they understand the concept of "country", "nation", "entitye, "context"?

only 6 of the dumbest members bothered giving Queenie karma for his stupidity.

I have no reasons to be ashamed of my Karma account either and if you would have looked more carefully, you would have seen that I got much more than 6 Ks all along this thread.

Actually, I think my Karma account upsets you just as much as the EU medals count...
If you can tamper with the 1st one to heal your rage, you cannot tamper with the 2nd one...
And what upsets you makes me happy.

I would not be so cruel with the US team, UsaFra...
After all, they are about to have an almost as good result as in Salt Lake when they were playing home, and they already did better than in any recent Winter Games where they played away:

USA

Games Rank Gold Silver Bronze Total

Albertville 1992 : 5th 6 5 2 13
Lillehammer 1994 : 5th 5 4 2 11
Nagano 1998 : 5th 6 3 4 13
Salt Lake City 2002 : 3rd 10 13 11 34
Turin 2006 (Day 13) : 4th 7 8 5 20

See? A EU unified team would be good for the US too as, apart from giving them a motivating competition, it could give them a better ranking too!

Is that because you are laughing too much that you skip questions and fail to address real issues?

Atlantic, sometimes you are actually pretty funny.
Real issues.
I think Jerry has addressed most of your real issues.
And nobody is denying that you have real issues.

And the EU totals are still 0/0/0. On the bright side, you will soon have an opportunity to proove to all your skeptics that you really do possess the integrity to do the right thing and not cheat and smear your peoples' name on this most critical of all stages. You have a chance to earn respect for France and let a new day dawn where the world will have verifiable proof of a Frenchman's honor. I'm very proud of you and quite humbled for my small part in such a momentous event.

I am not getting rude with the US team.
The "nasty" factual remarks I made in my message were quoted from a US newspaper "The Boston Globe".
The underlying reason of those remarks is not the number of medals involved but the manner some top US athletes did not win any.
For sure, in the Beijing summer games, we can expect much better from the US in Athletics and swimming.

Nope, however you want to spin that shit Altantic, if the EU had a single team WITHIN the qualification guidelines of the Olympics, the 'EU' tally would be way down. When you have 8/10 of the competitors in a given race from the EU, and knowing that races are not predictable (or else we would not bother running them), it obviously, EU based countries will have a high tally.



Thats the tally. Btw, the Czech hate your guts. So do the Poles. They would rather be with Team USA than in your wishful dream of a French run EU. Sorry, I don't support your wetdream.

"Btw, the Czech hate your guts. So do the Poles"


because the EU . but we don't lead alone the EU . there are the germans,the english and other nations .

the EU sometimes brings more frustrations than happiness .

we should perhaps make just a trade union . less forcing.

Atlantic, sometimes you are actually pretty funny.

Yeah, I get that often...

I think Jerry has addressed most of your real issues.

No, he never does.
Real issues here are wether the EU will present a single team at the Olympics one day, what impact it will have on the medal count and why?

The "nasty" factual remarks I made in my message were quoted from a US newspaper "The Boston Globe".

Use quote markup codes, then!

For sure, in the Beijing summer games, we can expect much better from the US in Athletics and swimming.

What you can expect in Beijing is China to top the medal table, behind the EU, of course.

When you have 8/10 of the competitors in a given race from the EU, and knowing that races are not predictable

The top 10 IS completely predictable.
Sending a more compact EU team will have little effect on the medal tally.

Btw, the Czech hate your guts. So do the Poles.

Come on, this is the kind of thing you only read on sites like ff.com.
The Poles and Czechs don't hate our guts!
Especially the Poles with whom we always had a "special relationship".
They have both been really enthousiastic about joining the EU.

Especially the Poles with whom we always had a "special relationship".

If your relationship with Poland is "special", then what should we think when we're told France is our "oldest & closest ally"? Does that mean you use a nicer dagger in the back?

"They missed a good opportunity to keep quiet." Jacques Chirac

"They missed a good opportunity to keep quiet." Jacques Chirac

As always, you are confusing relationship between, or feelings toward peoples and their administrations.

It's not because you are some kind of Borg whose brain makes one with Bush's (and this makes a very small brain to share) that everybody is like you.

What you can expect in Beijing is China to top the medal table, behind the EU, of course.

Ohhh those poor Chineses will get only NIL medals at the Olympics in their own country. Thats makes me very sad


Atlantic with an easy google search (expressions: EU Team and Olympics ) I found a good site for you where the EU Team has won many Olympic medals. This great site will kill two birds with one stone. Finally we´ve a site that makes you happy and on the other hand its a psychiatrist´s webpage. Above the medal table you´ll find the links Paranoid schizophrenia treatments We've come full circle with Jerry´s great photoshop image (you know what I mean )

psychcentral.com . . .

Good luck!

Atlantic with an easy google search (expressions: EU Team and Olympics ) I find a good site for you where the EU Team has won many Olympic medals.

There's much better:

- Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org . . .

- A Swiss science institute:
www.idsia.ch . . .

- A Reuters article:
www.telegraphindia.com . . .



What you should also check, for your own Paranoid schizophrenia treatment, is an objective definition of what the EU is.
Why not Wikipedia again?

European Union

The European Union or EU is an intergovernmental and supranational organisation of European countries, which currently has 25 member states . The Union was established under that name by the Treaty on European Union in 1992.

However, many aspects of the EU existed before that date through a series of predecessor organisations, dating back to the 1950s .

The European Union's activities cover all policy areas, from health and economic policy to foreign affairs and defence.

However, the nature of its powers differs between areas.

Depending on the powers transferred to it by its member states, the EU therefore resembles a federation (e.g. monetary affairs, agricultural, trade and environmental policy), a confederation (e.g. in social and economic policy, consumer protection, internal affairs), or an international organisation (e.g. in foreign affairs).

A key activity of the EU is the establishment and administration of a common single market, consisting of a customs union, a single currency (adopted by 12 of the 25 member states), a Common Agricultural Policy and a Common Fisheries Policy.

Status

The European Union is the most powerful regional organisation in existence.

As seen above, in certain areas where member states have transferred a degree of sovereignty to the Union the EU begins to resemble a federation or confederation.

However, the member states remain the masters of the Treaties, meaning that the Union does not have the power to transfer additional powers from the member states onto itself without their agreement.

Also, the various member states maintain their own policies in key areas of national interest such as foreign relations and defence.

This unique structure perhaps makes the European Union best seen as a sui generis entity.

A "sui generis" entity...
Maybe I should have used these words, instead of "unique type of confederation" and you, Jerry and Uncle_Meat, would have understood it better!
ROFL As if!!!

Sui generis

Sui generis is a (post) Latin expression, literally meaning of its own kind/genus or unique in its characteristics.

The expression was effectively created by scholastic philosophy to indicate an idea, an entity or a reality that cannot be included in a wider concept, and in the structure genus > species a species that heads its own genus.

In law, it is a term of art used to identify a legal classification that exists independently of other categorizations because of its uniqueness or due to the specific creation of an entitlement or obligation.

I hope it helped.
Because God knows you really need help...

Atlantic,

interesting to see how you use a statistic that splits "Germany", "East Germany" and "West Germany" into three different countries in order to have France moving past Germany in the olympic medal count...

I presume that same statistic also splits Russia and the Soviet Union...

I think that's bad style.

The EU is just a trading block. Not one athlete has won a medal under the banner of the EU.

Such a statement can prolly only come from someone who doesn't know that this mere "trading block" passes two thirds of the legislation that becomes law in its member states.

Surely the EU, a unique supranational organisation, is much more than a trading block. It's more than a mere federation of states and still less than a federal state. And, yes, its member states compete under national falgs and I tink it should stay that way

By now the US has fallen back on fourth rank, trailing Germany, Austria and Russia (that is, if you don't take some these US-made medal tables where countries with less gold medals are liste ahead of . If Norway and Canada are lucky, they might still overtake the US.

Anyway, it's interesting to see how close the top 6 field is, there is no single overwhelmingly dominating country, which is laways nice too keep things competitive and exiting.

if the EU had a single team WITHIN the qualification guidelines of the Olympics, the 'EU' tally would be way down

Fine, if EU would send one team, the best (3) candidates based on their results during the year and "small" EU-wide selection competition, what would change?

The fact is - and God you hate it - that EU is much stronger than you are. Even if EU sent 1 participant per sport to Olympics and you sent there 3, there is no such bad luck on earth (including luck of Donald Duck) that all the best European athletes would fail one after another. I wouldn't be suprised if EU still had more gold than US had all the medals combined.

And, yes, its member states compete under national falgs and I tink it should stay that way

I would hate to see such a future too We can always speculate about possible "Team EU" and anger "Team US", but I sure hope such a team never exists.

I mean in my lifetime... after that, I don't care anymore, quite possibly.

which is laways nice too keep things competitive and exiting.

Oh my god!! Your spelling is atrocious! Bad form for the spelling nazi!