There is a difference between being in a hurry (like me this morning) and not knowing the difference between "their" and "there" or why "definately" is indeed a first rate spelling atrocity etc.

"their" and "there"

Hah! You got them backwards!

definately

Another mis-spelled word! That's just sloppy.

I'm gonna be watching you Altes.

Atlantic must be really BORED to waste her time coming up with this crock of shit.

Not bored, just embarrassed to be french. That we can understand.

interesting to see how you use a statistic that splits "Germany", "East Germany" and "West Germany" into three different countries in order to have France moving past Germany in the olympic medal count...

This was not my purpose.
Not my fault if Germany, Russia, Yugoslavia have competed under several entities and flags...
You understood that the context is a 100 years period during which many countries changed... a lot.
I mean, you must know that...

Every ranking is subject to critics, however, Wikipedia clearly states what they consider as a "country": in this context a country is an entity represented by a National Olympic Committee and aknowledges the bias it implies:

Criticism of bias.

The table below does not reflect that some nations participated frequently while others did not or changed names etc.

For example, the total medal count below makes the US look twice as good as the USSR and other rarely participating nations, exploiting the fact that the US has been a single political entity since the first Olympics in 1896, while the USSR never participated before 1952 and does not exist any more.

However, according to the Wikipedia medal counts the USSR beat the US almost every time both nations participated (Winter total medal count: USSR vs USA 9:0, Summer: 6:2, Total: 15:2).

Similarly, East Germany beat the US most times when both participated (leave alone the combination of East and West Germany). To overcome this bias, it has been suggested to insert a column listing how often the various political entities really participated.

I presume that same statistic also splits Russia and the Soviet Union...

You presume correctly.
On another hand, it also counts some Ukrainian, Moldavian, Belarussian, Estonian.... medals won under the Soveit Union flag as Soviet.
It counts as German, medals won by Alsatians, East-Prussians... from 1896 to 1918.
It counts as Austrian, medals won by Hungarians in the same period.
etc...

However, I'd like to know, in this context, how you can possibly strictly reattribute past medals to present political entities?

- Are you going to re-distribute Soviet, Yugoslavian, Austro-Hungarian empire's medals to the correct present country?

- Are you going to check every German medal won between 1896 and 1945 to see if some athletes were born or were living in areas that are no longer German today, and re-attribute them to Austria, Poland, France or whatever?

I think that if you analyse the context more precisely than you did, you'll see that the Wikipedia option is the only possible one.

And, yes, its member states compete under national falgs and I tink it should stay that way

I would hate to see such a future too

Altes and EUFinland, this is absolutely your right to think so, I even gave you some Ks for giving your opinion which is perfectly acceptable.

However, this is also my right to think otherwise and that, if you are less than 60 years old, you will see it in your life time, at least for the Olympics and World Championships. (Not for Nations' competitions like the World Cup, Six Nations, UEFA European Nations Championships etc...)

And this should not prevent you from placing bets either!

Are you going to check every German medal won between 1896 and 1945 to see if some athletes were born or were living in areas that are no longer German today

Some of them died not a natural death for instance

the cousins Alfred and Gustav Flatow (5 Gold Medals for Germany, Athens 1896) died 1944 in Theresienstadt (one of them on the foto below)



or Lilly Henoch a famous shot-putter and discus thrower in the 20s was shot at a mass grave in Riga in 1941 by Nazi murderers

Some of them died not a natural death for instance

Nothing to do with what I said.

Altes frawns upon the fact that the medals from a united Germany and from former West and East Germany are counted separately.

Ok, Today's Germany is the union of former East end West Germany, I understand that.

But what do you do with medals won for Germany before 1945 or 1918, by a Germany that has nothing to do with what it is today?
And what do you do for other countries in a similar situation.

If you look just at Germany, and just for the 1945-2006 period, Altes' objection id valid.
It's no longer valid in a 1896-2006 world-wide context, therefore it couldn't be applied in Wikipedia's table

i'm not a big fan of a EU team in sports.

it would lose its charm i think .

the advantage for france would be to have the germans medals( skeleton,bobsleigh and luge mainly ).

the germans would have also our medals .

for england,it is different,i don't see them in the classification . lol

Atlantic I never said that the murdered German Athletes had something to do with the content of your post.


Hey Simplefrench Germany never won a Skeleton Medal

but they are the greatest Biathlon team at Turino

4 Gold
2 Silver
1 Bronze

until now maybe tomotrow

Seriously i forgot the biathlon (i knew it) . you are very good

but you will see that in bathlon,france is correct .


but could you tell me the number of medals you won in luge,bobsleigh ? (men and women)

just for statistic. i think it is impressive


thanks

Atlantic, I don't see why there should be a EU team, I mean, we can always do simple additions to compute the EU total medals !

but you will see that in bathlon,france is correct .

I know that. Norway, France, Russia and Germany are good. The form of the day is vital to the success.

Yahoo has Medal tables for every sport

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to be fair,germany and russia are largely above in biathlon .

but Rafael Poiree is one of the greatest in Biathlon along with Ole Einar Björndalen (best Biathlete ever)



The woman is Livgrete his Norwegian spouse, she dominated the Biathlon woman sport over some years

good . nice couple

Situation, end of Day 14, Friday February 24

Rank Country G S B Total

1 European Union 36 31 34 101
2 USA 8 9 6 23
3 Russia 8 4 8 20
4 Canada 6 8 6 20
5 Switzerland 5 4 4 13
6 South Korea 4 3 1 8
7 Norway 2 8 8 18
8 China 2 3 4 9
9 Croatia 1 2 0 3
10 Australia 1 0 1 2
11 Japan 1 0 0 1
12 Belarus 0 1 0 1
12 Bulgaria 0 1 0 1
14 Ukraine 0 0 2 2







EU detail:

Rank Member-State G S B Total

1 Germany 9 10 5 24
2 Austria 8 6 5 19
3 Sweden 5 2 5 12
4 Italy 4 0 6 10
5 France 3 2 4 9
5 Netherlands 3 2 4 9
7 Estonia 3 0 0 3
8 Czech Republic 1 2 0 3
9 Finland 0 5 3 8
10 Great Britain 0 1 0 1
10 Slovakia 0 1 0 1
12 Latvia 0 0 1 1
12 Poland 0 0 1 1

1st medal for Poland today.
The EU total passed 100.

Atlantic, I don't see why there should be a EU team, I mean, we can always do simple additions to compute the EU total medals !

Hehehe...
Yes! For ever and ever!

Pitiful. Truly pitiful.

Go earn your own damn gold medal, then you can brag about it all day long, mmm'kay?

France is so pathetic they have to try and glom on to anything else to mask their failure.

And they killed the EU.

mwah ha hah

Ok, here I go

40 35 36 111

"And they killed the EU"

and we killed JR and bobby ewing .

what a cunt this odio !

The EU results so far:

Gold = 0

Silver = 0

Bronze = 0



Also, the results for the Benevolent and Protective Order of the Elks so far:

Gold = 0

Silver = 0

Bronze = 0

Ucle:
Your totals are indeed Accurate!

BTW, what's the medal count for NATO? Hell, at least people take them seriously!

Uncle_Meat

Burkina Faso's results as of this date

Gold 0
Silver 0
Bronze 0

But we DO exist

Do you think there might be something we do wrong
Besides having no mountains and no skating ring ?

something wrong ?


did you try ski at least ?