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Awesome opening post!!

This site is validated simply by pissing THAT guy off THAT much!

Your people were innocent? It's always the same shit with you people.

en.wikipedia.org . . .

Annexed to the newly-established German Empire, as part of the Reichsland Elsaß-Lothringen, in 1871 following the Franco-Prussian War (Treaty of Frankfurt), the city was restored to France after World War I, in 1919 by the Treaty of Versailles without a plebiscite, the outcome of which might not have been too convincing from the French point of view, since Strasbourg was almost exclusively German-speaking. It was again effectively a part of Germany during World War II, from 1940 to 1945.

I'm sure that when they bombed that town someone was in the planes counting how many German soldiers were there at the time.
Maybe they were tipped off and evacuated before the bombers got there. It is a french town after all.
BTW, the second atomic bomb used on Japan justified the first one. The towns where they were used were rebuilt and thousands of Japanese live there. I know this because I've been to both of these towns. So the contamination wasn't as bad as you think.

bombing a town in which there is almost no soldier is kind of silly and doesn' t help at all...

It was a German town and we were at war with Germany. WW2 Germans = NAZIs (I know it's somehow politically incorrect to say these days, lol). Germany got off lightly. It deserved to be completely annhilated, its cities and all its Hitler-loving populace. That it wasn't owes to the great mercy of its enemies, enemies the average German would never have shown such mercy to if the roles had been reversed.

The damn bombs killed much more civilians than soldiers, and we wre far from hitler loving, or maybe you think our soldiers just put themselves in front of the Nazis bullets to get killed and make sure that the city belongs to Hitler ?

And I enjoy the fact that the only thing you can find to make me feel bad is talking me about something that happened 43 years or more before my birth, when the city was under the control of a dictatorship...

And I enjoy the fact that the only thing you can find to make me feel bad is talking me about something that happened 43 years or more before my birth, when the city was under the control of a dictatorship...

How many cars were burned in your shitty city during the riots?

, and we wre far from hitler loving,

They elected, supported, fought for and mass murdered for Hitler but once they knew the war was lost they were no longer giving the sieg heil with the same flair and enthusiasm as they used to. So what? That doesn't mean those people had a shred of soul or humanity it just means they were rats fleeing a sinking ship. Like I said, they got off easy. The evil bastards should all have been wiped out so stop whining about the fucking nazi war dead. Nobody gives a shit but your fellow aryans.

Starspangled

No car has been burned in my city during the riots, and burning CARS doesn' t kill...

Tozer

If you' d you history a bit better, you' d know my city was invaded much after Hitler' s election and was still part of France when he became chancellor.

And what should I become to talk about the way you treated black persons until the 60' s ? Maybe your parents killed one, said racist things or demonstrated for keeping apartheid. Maybe your grandparents were using them as slaves, whipping them, hitting them, killing them, giving them no right but to die...

strasbourg is a dump. Burning cars is not a western tradition.

This article's from 1999, btw.

news.bbc.co.uk . . .

Wednesday, 21 April, 1999, 14:37 GMT 15:37 UK

Taming France's "little savages"

By Sallie Davies

The Koenigshoffen Social and Cultural Centre in Strasbourg is a clean, modern, welcoming building. Far away I can hear someone practising piano scales. Right next to me, a young woman is looking at the centre's web site, while through the door a girl is working on sketches for her fashion collection. There are paintings on the walls and a buzz of activity everywhere.

It's four thirty in the afternoon and children are here between school and home. They're getting ready for the book festival. Children are encouraged to take a theme from a book and build on it - compose some music, make up a story, paint a picture perhaps. It's a way of getting them to love books. For some, school has made books a source of resentment. Many like to come here to learn without the threat of school's authority.

The teenagers turn up later. They tell us why the French city of Strasbourg has become notorious for youth violence. The Christmas lights here are different from anywhere else. These are not pretty twinkling stars but the flames of burning cars.

In what has become a strange annual ritual, youths set fire to cars, and attack the policemen sent to control them. For some it's an expression of frustration. They say they're sick of the racism they encounter from the police, employers and teachers. Many sociologists - like Sophie Body Gendrot, of the Sorbonne, who has compared the problems in France and the United States - agree that the odds are stacked against them. But it's also true that for many it's a game to be played with the media and a way of attracting the attention they don't normally get.

When TV crews have filmed the fires in one suburb of the city, gangs from another banlieue (suburb) will be out to torch more cars to claim their few minutes of fame. These are sporadic incidents, and overall youth crime in France is far lower than in either Britain or Germany, but French youth violence is certainly on the increase. Delinquency rates have doubled in the last seven years and much of the blame for youth violence has been put on high unemployment amongst the young. Socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin is so concerned that he has made law and order a priority. In February this year, he declared that youth violence was second only to unemployment as France's "public enemy number one", and demanded powers to combat the "little savages" who were making life in the cities so threatening.

The Koenigshoffen centre is an attempt to help children who don't do well at school. One of the teenagers I spoke to had been expelled. He had no qualifications and has had no luck so far trying to find a job. He took part in the New Year Violence because 'it was everyone for himself, it was a kind of anarchy, crazy.' The government is now trying to help people like him.

Education Minister Claude Allegre

Education minister Claude Allegre is proposing one of the most ambitious programmes of reform ever to have hit France's education system, aimed at reducing the 8% of pupils who are 'excluded' - who leave school, for one reason or another, with no qualifications. He wants to loosen up the rigid, formal 'top down' way of teaching and introduce more relaxed ways of working so that students who need help can get it. He has also introduced 10,000 young assistants to improve communications between teachers and students. But he is facing fierce resistance from most of the teaching unions who have been striking on a regular basis in protest.

Many teachers fear that academic standards will fall and the much admired 'baccalaureat' - the final school exam, which is both broader and deeper than Britain's A-level curriculum - will suffer. They also argue that they are teachers - not social workers or psychologists. They do not want to get involved in the school's social problems. Many of the teachers also loathe Allegre personally, mainly because, soon after taking office, he called them lazy . I met one teacher who called him 'detestable'.

Headmaster Benoit Stein outside Hans Arp College

The Hans Arp High School, in another suburb of Strasbourg, has 800 pupils. In the corridor at break time, I was mobbed by enthusiastic children desperate to speak English and examine my recording equipment. The size of the classes here would make a British teacher very envious indeed. The average number of pupils per teacher is 21. In France as a whole it's 26. But Hans Arp is special.

It's in an education priority zone, and gets extra money because its academic record is so poor. Only three out of ten children here go on to get their 'Bac'. The national average is seven out of ten. The solid, rather daunting figure of headmaster Benoit Stein is a constant presence at Hans Arp. He's determined to get his kids working. One of the ways he wants to do this is by creating a music and arts complex because he believes these can 'open the spirit' of children who are defeated by the heavier academic subjects.

The French system has always seen the arts and sport as secondary subjects and that should change, he says. But he has no illusions about the problems faced by his pupils. Unemployment is high around the school, there are drug dealers out on the estates and families are often poor and troubled. He's fighting the attitude which says: ' what's the point of school when there are no jobs out there? You can work hard, get your diploma and still end up unemployed'.

Will the government's reforms work? Can people like Benoit Stein succeed in making school work for those who can't or won't study? And will they help stop the bouts of violence in the city suburbs? The French education system, with its formality and heavy academic workload, may have worked in the past when society was more homogenous and more obedient. But large immigrant communities and economic upheaval have changed the face of France this century, and teachers will have to adapt their ways of teaching to a different social landscape. The French education system has been described as a 'Mammouth' - old, slow and heavy. But as Alexandre Cantini, as youth worker at the Koenigshoffen social centre put it, 'at the heart of the system I think there's a spirit for change.'

Starspangled

No car has been burned in my city during the riots, and burning CARS doesn' t kill...

I'll give you an opportunity to retract that statement.

The damn bombs killed much more civilians than soldiers

Civilians who voted for hitler.

Did you now that?

He was elected.

When you elect your leaders you are responsible for them.

If they are psychotic mass murderers, you deserve to die.

Fuck off.

Yeah, your tradition is more like killing 11 000 of your citizens each year ( just for shootings )...

Looks like he should ask for a refund on that methadone dose he took at the clinic today. I won't even bother asking what EU shithole he crawled out of to make this gibberish filled screed. I know it's a lot to ask of special olympians like you, SsnakeBite but, could you provide links to reputable sources for the points you made? understand now, Democratic Underground and Daily Kos do not count as "reputable" neither does the New York Times or BBC. Best of luck on kicking that heroin habit you developed at the age of 4.

Welcome to FF snakebite.

Do you like anal? Me and Booyahh are doing home made DP videos.

What'd ya say?

starspangled

The page you' re showing is about the new year, not the riots, I remind you that riots happened in 2005, not in 1999

Balls

I already said Strasbourg was FRENCH when hitler was elected in GERMANY

AkuuGuuSAma

According to you, " reputable " seems to mean : " That repeats George Walker " Monkey " Bush bullshits ", I mean, saying that NYT or BBC aren' t reputable is kind of silly, your trouble is than it' s objective and that they are not sheeps, right ?

snake bit, I disdain france because of the french. This area of europe has some great landscapes but is infested with french.

I've done business with french and visited france for longer than you have been alive. That is where my opinions of frrench are from, first hand.


As always an arrogant yet ignorant french hopes to point out the errors of my ways. It is laughable and proves my point that all french know that france was once a great (& terrible) power in the world and now your are irrelevant. How did that whole stopping us from going into Iraq work out for you?

Tell me in how many areas of France you went and how long you stayed...

A car burns in Strasbourg, France on the night of November 5 as riots spread from the Paris banlieues to other parts of the country.

en.wikipedia.org . . .

Hey newbie, there are so many lies and so much sloppy thought in your screed that it's difficult to know where to begin a response. So I'll just respond to this one:

Yeah, that' s for sure, there' s nothing like attacking an innocent country by saying they have mass destruction weapons and using illegal weapons against them, then finally saying to the whole world that they DON' T have the weapons

Pay close attention to the news out of Arlington this Saturday. I believe GWB caved in WAY too early to those who claim Saddam didn't have WMD.

A former military intelligence analyst, who currently works as a civilian contractor, believes he has found a cache of extremely confidential--and very shocking--audio recordings of Saddam Hussein's office meetings. The audiotapes, which had apparently been overlooked, were found in a warehouse along with many other untranslated Iraqi intelligence files. These tapes are extremely significant, since they may be the best evidence yet of Saddam's secret intentions concerning weapons of mass destruction.

Before 9/11, many intelligence experts were convinced that a very strong and important Iraqi WMD connection existed, only to change their minds when no concrete evidence of that connection could be uncovered in the three years following the beginning of Iraqi war.

Because of the considerable historical importance of this stunning recent development, the contractor who obtained and reviewed these tapes plans to release them to the public on February 18, 2006 at the Intelligence Summitsm, a non-partisan, non-profit conference open to the public, scheduled to be held at the Hyatt Regency Crystal City Hotel in Arlington, Virginia that weekend.

www.intelligencesummit.org . . .

starspangled

The page you' re showing is about the new year, not the riots, I remind you that riots happened in 2005, not in 1999

From en.wikipedia.org . . .

day vehicles burned arrests extent of riots

Saturday November 5, 2005 897 253 Île-de-France, Rouen, Dijon, Marseille, Évreux, Roubaix, Tourcoing, Hem, Strasbourg, Rennes, Nantes, Nice, Toulouse, Bordeaux, Pau, Lille

Friday November 11, 2005 463 201 Toulouse, Lille, Lyon, Strasbourg, Marseille


November 7: Firefighters tackle a burning car in the city of Strasbourg.
Photograph: Christian Hartmann/EPA
www.guardian.co.uk . . .

Can you prove it ? the pic just shows " something " that was maybe a car, but we don' t see a lot of things around it, not even a rioter, it could be anywhere, it could even come from a movie...
But it' s enough for an American to send GIs in a country...

starspangled

The page you' re showing is about the new year, not the riots, I remind you that riots happened in 2005, not in 1999

See another reason we don't like fwenchmen ssnakebite is because you're back stabbing, duplicitous liars as well.

According to you, " reputable " seems to mean : " That repeats George Walker " Monkey " Bush bullshits ", I mean, saying that NYT or BBC aren' t reputable is kind of silly, your trouble is than it' s objective and that they are not sheeps, right ?

No, I am asking for nuetral and unbiased reporting, which you won't get from the Beeb, NYT or the wire services like Al Rueters. I like the Singapore Straits Times, the Times of India, and Mainichi Daily News.

Yeah, your tradition is more like killing 11 000 of your citizens each year ( just for shootings )

Oh la la. Your tradition is killing 15,000 of yoru OLDER citizens aeach year. Notice - NO SHOOTING. Just from the summer heat. Now compare the ratio to the total amount of the population.

Owned, bitch. ROFLMAO