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 France Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. (karma: 7)
en>fr fr>en By NahnCee Comments: 12093, member since Mon Oct 13, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:04 AM
...The organizers, politically right-wing, have been criticized because the soup is made with pork, which they use partly to keep away new Muslim immigrants. <br />
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With steaming bowls of the fragrant broth soon passing through the crowd, Odile Bonnivard, a short-haired secretary turned far-right firebrand, climbed atop a dark sedan with a megaphone in hand and led the crowd in a raucous chant: "We are all pig eaters! We are all pig eaters!" <br />
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Identity soup, as the broth has come to be called, is one of the stranger manifestations of a growing grass-roots backlash against the multiculturalism that has spread through Europe over the past 20 years. <br />
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...Even newly arrived immigrants from Eastern Europe are more welcome than Muslims from North Africa, she said, a sentiment shared by some of the diners.<br />
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...This being France, most soup kitchens provide the downtrodden with a complete French dinner, including cheese and dessert. Ms. Bonnivard's group even throws in a glass of red wine with every meal. <i>{Hmmmmm -- Muslims can't be drinking red wine ... can they???}</i><br />
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<i>Not a single Muslim quoted in this article. Surely they're seething and raging somewhere nearby.</i>
PARIS, Feb. 27 — More than 200 political demonstrators defied a police ban here on Thursday, scurrying across Boulevard St.-Germain and under the sycamore trees of Place Maubert to engage in their forbidden action: eating "pig soup" in public.
An informal soup kitchen near Gare de l'Est station in Paris. The organizers, politically right-wing, have been criticized because the soup is made with pork, which they use partly to keep away new Muslim immigrants.
With steaming bowls of the fragrant broth soon passing through the crowd, Odile Bonnivard, a short-haired secretary turned far-right firebrand, climbed atop a dark sedan with a megaphone in hand and led the crowd in a raucous chant: "We are all pig eaters! We are all pig eaters!"
Identity soup, as the broth has come to be called, is one of the stranger manifestations of a growing grass-roots backlash against the multiculturalism that has spread through Europe over the past 20 years. People are increasingly challenging the care taken in Nazi-chastened Europe, and in France in particular, to avoid the sort of racial or religious insults that led to widespread protests in the Muslim world this month after wide publication of cartoons considered offensive to the Prophet Muhammad.
The movement began in the winter of 2003 when Ms. Bonnivard, a member of a small far-right nationalist movement called the Identity Bloc, began serving hot soup to the homeless. At first, she said, the group used pork simply because it was an inexpensive traditional ingredient for hearty French soup. But after the political significance of serving pork dawned on them and others, it quickly became the focus of their work.
Made with smoked bacon, pigs' ears, pigs' feet and pigs' tails together with assorted vegetables and sausages, the soup is meant to make a political statement: "Help our own before others."
The "others," Ms. Bonnivard explained, are non-European immigrants who she and her colleagues on the far right say are sopping up scarce resources that ought to be used for descendants of the Continent's original inhabitants. In other words, the soup is meant to exclude those who do not eat pork — for the most part, Muslims and Jews.
"Other communities don't hesitate to help their own, so why can't we?" she asked, noting that Europe's Islamic charities serve halal food to disadvantaged Muslims and that its Jewish charities operate kosher soup kitchens.
Fair enough, one might argue, but this is France, where there is little tolerance for anything that challenges the republic's egalitarian ideals.
The authorities initially left the pork-soup kitchen alone, shutting it down only once to avoid an altercation with a group of indignant French leftists. Then came the riots that swept France in October and November last year, waking the government to the deep alienation felt by Muslim youth. As winter closed in and other pork-soup kitchens run by similar-minded groups popped up in Strasbourg and Nice — and in Brussels, Antwerp and Charleroi in Belgium — authorities worried that they might be witnessing the start of a dangerous racist-tinged trend.
In December, Ms. Bonnivard said, a van of plainclothes police chased her soup-bearing car through the streets, and several busloads of officers arrived to stop her group from setting up at their usual spot near the Montparnasse train station, citing "the discriminatory nature of the soup."
She and her fellow soup servers filed an appeal. A Paris police spokesman said the appeal was pending and would be decided "on the basis of the current regulations, in particular concerning risks to public order and incitement to racial hatred."
They have been playing cat and mouse with the authorities since then.
Ms. Bonnivard talks glowingly of the camaraderie engendered by her group's gatherings, whose motive, she said, is to defend European culture and identity. "Our freedom in France is being threatened," she said. "If we prefer European civilization and Christian culture, that's our choice."
Even newly arrived immigrants from Eastern Europe are more welcome than Muslims from North Africa, she said, a sentiment shared by some of the diners.
"At least here there are people who are of the same mind as me," said a woman named Hélène, 61, who is not homeless but comes for soup because she has little money left for food after paying her rent. "The French, and the Europeans in general, roll over for foreigners, and particularly Islam."
This being France, most soup kitchens provide the downtrodden with a complete French dinner, including cheese and dessert. Ms. Bonnivard's group even throws in a glass of red wine with every meal.
"The only condition required for dining with us: eat pork," reads the group's Web site, which bears the image of a wanted poster for a cartoon pig in a pot framed by the words, "Wanted, Cooked or Raw, Public Disturbance No. 1."
The police initially granted permission for the "European solidarity feast" that Ms. Bonnivard's and the other right-wing soup kitchens planned last Thursday. But the authorities called late Wednesday evening to say the permission had been revoked. Officers appeared at Ms. Bonnivard's apartment at 6 a.m. Thursday to deliver a written notice prohibiting the pork-eating rally.
By evening, four police vans filled with anti-riot police officers were waiting at the group's designated meeting point outside a conservative Roman Catholic church while Ms. Bonnivard and her associates huddled in a nearby cafe, plotting diversionary tactics so they could serve their soup before the police could intervene.
"They're more afraid of us than any march by Islamists or Jews," Ms. Bonnivard's husband, Roger, declared as people slurped soup around him. (In the end, despite the official ban, the police did not intervene.)
Bruno Gollnisch, the silver-haired No. 2 in the far-right National Front of Jean-Marie Le Pen, mingled in the crowd, calling the "persecution" of the soup kitchen a "betrayal of the French identity." Others handed out slices of oily sausage as flags bearing the French fleur-de-lis fluttered overhead. There wasn't a police officer in sight.
"We're not yet living in a land of Islam," Ms. Bonnivard bellowed from atop the sedan.
www.nytimes.com . . .27 Replies to Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By Trever Comments: 5955, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:38 AM
"We are all pig eaters! We are all pig eaters!"
NahnCee,
K+ for this post. The first good news I've heard from the other side of the pond for years. | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By NahnCee Comments: 12093, member since Mon Oct 13, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:50 AM
And the cops are trying to shut them down, while protecting the poor little Muslims. Well, of COURSE -- the soup people probably won't try to behead the gendarmes whereas the Muslims would. So who would *you* harass if you were a French cop? With no bullets? | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By Pegcity Comments: 2495, member since Fri May 06, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:59 AM
this story is so old. | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By NahnCee Comments: 12093, member since Mon Oct 13, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 01:04 AM
pegcity - why do people seem to think it brings something to the party to make that particular comment ... speaking of being old.
BTW, *this* particular story will be printed in tomorrow's NY Times, so perhaps the meme is old (yes, I *did* know that, but thank you so much for taking it upon yourself to show us all how terribly well-informed you are by pointing it out), but I believe some of the details are new.
Jerk. | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By Pegcity Comments: 2495, member since Fri May 06, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 01:09 AM
it's just been posted here like 10 times already. | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By Trever Comments: 5955, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 01:10 AM
Edited by Trever (78442) on 2006-02-28 01:12:28
After re-reading the article, I noticed:
"They're more afraid of us than any march by Islamists or Jews..."
There it is again. The Jews. Another peculiar French assumption about them. I wasn't aware that Jews rioted on a regular basis in France. So I googled the phrase "Jewish riot" and the word "France". Almost every hit I got was about "anti-Jewish riots." Try it. | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. (karma: 4)
en>fr fr>en By Ostaire Comments: 4831, member since Thu Feb 13, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 01:12 AM
The first good news I've heard from the other side of the pond for years. The bad news is that French police repeatedly shuts down those soup kitchen following complaints from Jewish organisations and French ADL.
Jewish organisations have expressed their concern. “It’s a disgrace to discriminate between impoverished people,” said Pierre Levy, CRIF’s delegate in Strasbourg. “I read about this phenomenon in Nice but I never imagined it would reach our city.”
“There are poor and homeless Jews in Strasbourg. It’s really revolting and unbearable to see extremists use this for their propaganda.”
Anti-racist group LICRA shares the same point of view and said it was “shocked” by the nationalists’ way of “using misery”.
www.ejpress.org . . .

| re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By simplefrench Comments: 59849, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 01:16 AM
Edited by simplefrench (60194) on 2006-02-28 01:17:53
Edited by simplefrench (60194) on 2006-02-28 01:19:54
this soup is anti jew nanhcee . there is pork .
i think you should make a petition .
it is a racist act from the french against the jews !
time to make 10 threads about that .
we eat pork since only 2000 years in france . scandal for you ! | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By Trever Comments: 5955, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 01:17 AM
The bad news is that French police repeatedly shuts down those soup kitchen following complaints from Jewish organisations and French ADL.
Did the Jews set off any bombs? | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By simplefrench Comments: 59849, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 01:19 AM
no but we are tired of the communautarism and beliefs from the middle age !
ok ? | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By Ostaire Comments: 4831, member since Thu Feb 13, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 01:26 AM
Edited by Ostaire (56404) on 2006-02-28 01:28:59
Did the Jews set off any bombs? Why would they do, when filing lawsuits is enough?
Censorship on the internet and the right to send behind the bars anyone who doesn't agree with official Jewish organisations on historical matters (heard of David Irving?) are parts of the privileges those organisations enjoy in Europe. Especially in France. | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By Trever Comments: 5955, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 01:36 AM
Edited by Trever (78442) on 2006-02-28 01:38:33
Censorship on the internet and the right to send behind the bars anyone who doesn't agree with official Jewish organisations on historical matters (heard of David Irving?) are parts of the privileges those organisations enjoy in Europe. Especially in France.
David Irving? Sure. Holocaust denier. I agree that it's wrong to try to suppress his speech. Hell, I know all about suppressed speech. If you want to see speech suppressed, just attend an American university or two, as I have. The PC there is deadening. But my point still stands. Do you really think that Jews pose an actual danger to your civilization? (Serious question.) | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By HuguesCapet Comments: 5564, member since Tue Sep 27, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 02:14 AM
We do care about FRENCH poor. That's charity for starters! LOL | |
re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By CutthatCheese Comments: 16257, member since Sun Jul 11, 2004On Tue Feb 28, 2006 03:12 AM
Send simple some pork rinds in cajun sauce. | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By bigvern  Comments: 100, member since Sun Jul 24, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 05:43 AM
Always a good read ,but posted many times already .
Fuck france
Fuck allah | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By DutchHateFrogs2 Comments: 11147, member since Thu Mar 24, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 05:52 AM
Edited by DutchHateFrogs2 (76526) on 2006-02-28 06:15:56
I wasn't aware that Jews rioted on a regular basis in France. No, but you might find a large percentage of your national treasury being siphoned off an sent to Israel. The US already provides nearly 10% of Israels purchase power GDP. I will give a 50 K to anyone who can show me any benefit to the US in this relationship. | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By GBush Comments: 19044, member since Wed Feb 26, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 06:13 AM
Spamming, whining Jew bitch should be banned and deported to Israel! | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By z_french_r_fried Comments: 17321, member since Fri Apr 25, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 06:32 AM
"They're more afraid of us than any march by Islamists
The authorities are not afraid of the chrisitians. The authorities are afraid of the reactions to the christians by the "religion of peace."
Appease. Appease. Appease.
buh-bye zErope.
and fuck franch! | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By z_french_r_fried Comments: 17321, member since Fri Apr 25, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 06:38 AM
no but we are tired of the communautarism and beliefs from the middle age !
And so you fight back the iSSlamists with.....soup recipes?
fuck franch! | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By malbarre Comments: 19347, member since Wed Aug 24, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 06:40 AM
NanhCee, you don't enjoy the pork soup ?
"Dans le cochon, tout est bon", says a french proverb. (in the pig, all is good) | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Chirac_estun_ver Comments: 16913, member since Sun Mar 30, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 06:45 AM
Edited by Chirac_estun_ver (61337) on 2006-02-28 06:47:18 nothing new, still can't spell
several busloads of officers arrived to stop her group from setting up at their usual spot near the Montparnasse train station, citing "the discriminatory nature of the soup." This is the interesting part for me. What do you think about the soup? How do you feel about the soup? The thought police need to know.
When you are really hungry, anything tastes like ice cream. If you are semi-hungry then eat the chicken and spit out the bones.
I can understand the soup kitchen people. They are tired of the muslim community abusing their system, raping their daughters, burning their cars, bullying them to bow to their foreign culture (which is a hell of a lot different from asking to be left in peace.) That's just not how a polite guest would act. That's a very rude person who's barged into your home and shown complete disrespect and even contempt for their host. No culture on the planet would allow such a rude person in their home.
Jewish organisations on historical matters (heard of David Irving?) are parts of the privileges those organisations enjoy in Europe. Oh please, stop being such a drama queen. David Irving is just another psycho lunatic yelling the jews are coming to get him while he begs for the jewish communities attention. Taunting a religious group can't make up for mommy and daddy ignoring their baby boy. This is something he must work out on his own.
David Irving has the mindset of the disgruntled muslim in Europe. Be as obnoxious as possible, shove people around then when you are shoved back - cry discrimination.
As for the French jewish community hiding under your beds and waiting to eat good little French boys, don't make laws then bitch when someone uses them. If a law doesn't exist, you can't use it. That's simple enough. | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By z_french_r_fried Comments: 17321, member since Fri Apr 25, 2003On Tue Feb 28, 2006 06:45 AM
I will give a 50 K to anyone who can show me any benefit to the US in this relationship.
Hamas terrorist Yassin before a visit from an israeli rocket:
And after the visit:
Now gimme my 50 K.......and fuck franch! | re: Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You. en>fr fr>en By DutchHateFrogs2 Comments: 11147, member since Thu Mar 24, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 06:51 AM
Yeah killing a quadrapeligic and several innocent bystanders with US weapons really helped the US and it's image in the world. Try again. | 30 years of clap-trap en>fr fr>en By space_goat Comments: 270, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005On Tue Feb 28, 2006 07:02 AM
If france is a "egalitarian, secular state" we can expect a ban on the distribution of Mudslum "halal food" in public. This is an "affront" to the 87% non-Mudslum in france.
By the way, this is ignoring the fact that this meat does not comply with western standards for treatment and killing of animals. That makes 30 years of more of PC multiculturalist clap-trap on this subject. |
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