In fact, any post reporting fictitious "EU" medal counts will be considered spam and the author of said threads banned for spamming.

As often, the message you would be sending would make my point more than I could ever do.
If you decide to temper with this prediction's outcome, and as you placed a bet for the USA option, I guess you would become the first "moderator" involved in a ₩ scam scandal.

But don't worry, I have no intention to mention "EU medals count", just "EU athletes medals count".

World class athletes often compete at a similar level.

Right, and as the selection process is about the same everywhere, based on national, continental and world championships results, world class athletes, whatever European or American, are already ALL qualified for the games.
Sending multiple American teams would just allow the US to send more non-world-class athletes like individual European countries do.
I could name you dozens of American and European athletes who go to Beijing and whose best performances are absolutely not world-class and who have no chance whatsoever to win a medal.

Atlantic wrote:

Sending multiple American teams would just allow the US to send more non-world-class athletes like individual European countries do.
I could name you dozens of American and European athletes who go to Beijing and whose best performances are absolutely not world-class and who have no chance whatsoever to win a medal.

This is horseshit & Crusader’s exactly right. Prove him wrong. Pick one “EU” team for each sport BEFORE the Olympics start.

For individual sports, the US sends 3(?) men to compete the in 100M. That means you can pick the 3 Europeans to represent the EU before the games start. Say you take the best from UK, Netherlands & France. If a German wins, it doesn’t count. Deal?

For individual sports, the US sends 3(?) men to compete the in 100M. That means you can pick the 3 Europeans to represent the EU before the games start. Say you take the best from UK, Netherlands & France. If a German wins, it doesn’t count. Deal?

This is an interesting approach, but this is not this prediction's rules.
You can understand that I cannot make myself a simulation of the whole selection process that an EU team would mean and pick myself 3 athletes for hundreds of events.
And how could I guess the results of a single EU handball team or 4x100m relay?

Don't worry, as far as the men track 100 meters is concened, there's absolutely no chance that a EU athlete wins the Gold!

No, this prediction rules are clear and simple, whatever you like them or not.
This is not a simulation of the results of an hypothetic EU team.
This is about the arithmetic addiction of medals won by athletes from China, EU countries, and the US.
Feel free to play or not, to open another prediction thread with your own rules or not.

It won't be france.

It's just occured to me, how does atlunatic think he's going to close this in his favor?

Look at the rules for closing a prediction. Evidence in the form of a link must be provided. So where does he think he's goinfg to find a news story confirming the medla count for the non-existent PeeU olympic team? The first person to link to the official medla count will close it successfully, with either the US or China ahead of looney's imaginary team.

Maybe the mods should leave this stupid ting up after all, just so we can point and laugh when the moron gets owned on his own prediction.

Don't forget to make my K day when you realise I am right and there never will be a Beijing Olympics.

FFuckers,

War in Iran 20th July.

So where does he think he's goinfg to find a news story confirming the medla count for the non-existent PeeU olympic team?

Are you dense...

This is not about the medal count of the Chinese, American and an hypothetic EU's team, but about the medal count of athletes from China, the US and EU member states.
To make it simple for you, it's about the medal count of athletes having People's Republic of China, United States of America and European Union writen on their passport's cover.




The link I will provide will be the link to the official medal count, anybody (except UncleMeat) can make a 27 figures addition.

This will look like this:

Athens 2004 Final Medals Table:

Rank Athlete's origin Gold Silver Bronze Total

1 European Union 82 101 103 286

2 United States 35 39 29 103

3 China 32 17 14 63
4 Russia 27 27 38 92
5 Australia 17 16 16 49
6 Japan 16 9 12 37
7 South Korea 9 12 9 30
8 Cuba 9 7 11 27
9 Ukraine 9 5 9 23
10 Romania 8 5 6 19
11 Norway 5 0 1 6
12 Brazil 4 3 3 10
13 Canada 3 6 3 12
14 Turkey 3 3 4 10
15 New Zealand 3 2 0 5
16 Thailand 3 1 4 8
17 Belarus 2 6 7 15
18 Ethiopia 2 3 2 7
19 Iran 2 2 2 6
20 Taiwan 2 2 1 5
21 Georgia 2 2 0 4
22 Bulgaria 2 1 9 12
23 Jamaica 2 1 2 5
24 Uzbekistan 2 1 2 5
25 Morocco 2 1 0 3
26 Argentina 2 0 4 6
27 Chile 2 0 1 3
28 Kazakhstan 1 4 3 8
29 Kenya 1 4 2 7
30 South Africa 1 3 2 6
31 Croatia 1 2 2 5
32 Egypt 1 1 3 5
33 Switzerland 1 1 3 5
34 Indonesia 1 1 2 4
35 Zimbabwe 1 1 1 3
36 Azerbaijan 1 0 4 5
37 Bahamas 1 0 1 2
38 Israel 1 0 1 2
39 Cameroon 1 0 0 1
40 Dominican Republic 1 0 0 1
41 United Arab Emirates 1 0 0 1
42 North Korea 0 4 1 5
43 Mexico 0 3 1 4
44 Serbia and Montenegro 0 2 0 2
45 Hong Kong 0 1 0 1
46 India 0 1 0 1
47 Paraguay 0 1 0 1
48 Nigeria 0 0 2 2
49 Venezuela 0 0 2 2
50 Colombia 0 0 1 1
51 Eritrea 0 0 1 1
52 Mongolia 0 0 1 1
53 Syrian Arab Republic 0 0 1 1
54 Trinidad and Tobago 0 0 1 1

Detail EU:

Member-State Gold Silver Bronze Total

Germany 14 16 18 48
France 11 9 13 33
Italy 10 11 11 32
Great Britain 9 9 12 30
Hungary 8 6 3 17
Greece 6 6 4 16
Netherlands 4 9 9 22
Sweden 4 1 2 7
Spain 3 11 5 19
Poland 3 2 5 10
Austria 2 4 1 7
Slovakia 2 2 2 6
Denmark 2 0 6 8
Czech Republic 1 3 4 8
Lithuania 1 2 0 3
Belgium 1 0 2 3
Ireland 1 0 0 1
Latvia 0 4 0 4
Portugal 0 2 1 3
Finland 0 2 0 2
Slovenia 0 1 3 4
Estonia 0 1 2 3
Cyprus 0 0 0 0
Luxembourg 0 0 0 0
Malta 0 0 0 0

Total E.U. 82 101 103 286

The REAL scoring , not including Atlantic's fantasy team:

United States 35 39 29 103
Russia 27 27 38 92
China 32 17 14 63
Australia 17 16 16 49
Germany 14 16 18 48
Japan 16 9 12 37
France 11 9 13 33
Italy 10 11 11 32
Great Britain 9 9 12 30
South Korea 9 12 9 30

FrenchAreToast wrote:

The REAL scoring , not including Atlantic's fantasy team:

United States 35 39 29 103
Russia 27 27 38 92
China 32 17 14 63
Australia 17 16 16 49
Germany 14 16 18 48
Japan 16 9 12 37
France 11 9 13 33
Italy 10 11 11 32
Great Britain 9 9 12 30
South Korea 9 12 9 30

It will be fun to see Atlantic banned, when on a daily basis in August he breaks IOC rules as outlined by the very prudent management staff of the site.

I see atlunatic still doesn't get it.

We will be able to link to the official results. She, there are no real men left in france, will have to edit any link she posts to show the results of her fantasy team. Therefore our results will be official and looney's will be subject to question, so there's really no way possible to close this prediction in looney's favor.

Sorry, diefrog but YOU don't get it.
Nothing in this prediction mentions an "EU team".

there's really no way possible to close this prediction in looney's favor.

Look at that old prediction above.
No official source gave the total number of goals of those games, but it was possible to close it with a simple link to the games results.
The resolution of the prediction was simple, clear and undisputed.

Likewise, the link to the official medal table will show the number of medals earned by athletes from China, the US and EU member states, so there will be no problem to close this thread according to its rules.

The rules of this prediction are consistent with this section's guidelines. If this site's administration decides to over-run the result for nationalist reasons, they will make my point more than I could ever do.
Same if they lock it, delete it or ban me.

Their best solution is to take it lightly as the innocent game it is.

Let's be fair about this:

In determining the medal count for the EU fantasy team, no European who medals but had an EU qualifying mark outside the top 3 EU qualifying marks should count. Because, of course, they wouldn't even be in the Olympics if the EU was restricted to only 3 athletes per event.

If any top 3 EU athlete is disqualified or withdraws, any medals won by non top 3 EU athletes in that event should count.

In any relay or team event, if a top 3 EU team is disqualified or withdraws, any medals won by not top 3 EU teams should count.

In any event where an EU athlete or team who didn't qualify in the top 3 interferes with and prevents another non EU athlete or team from medaling - all EU medals in that event should not count.

There is no question that the fact that the EU countries can each send 3 athletes or teams for each event is a huge advantage and makes any medal count comparison to any other single country ridiculous.

There is no question that the fact that the EU countries can each send 3 athletes or teams for each event is a huge advantage and makes any medal count comparison to any other single country ridiculous.

Maybe, but this is not this prediction's rules.
Feel free to play or not, and if you are so sure that the EU option can't lose, then bet for it.

"Other" is correct.

The top winner in the medal ranking will be whichever country's team of chemists comes up with the most undetectable steroids.

In determining the medal count for the EU fantasy team, no European who medals but had an EU qualifying mark outside the top 3 EU qualifying marks should count

To make your point, FAT, I'm afraid you will have to open another thread about an hypothetic EU team results where you would remove any medal won by a European athlete out of Europe's top-3 in the qualifications.
To be fair, you will also have to take the 4 best relay individual performances to estimate hypothetic EU relay times.
In team sports, you will also have to estimate what the results of a team made of Europe's best would be.
That's a lot of work, and if you think that a European 4th best (or worse) has many chances to win a gold medal, I think you will be disappointed by the results.

The rules of this prediction are much more simple.

I can understand that the bashers can believe that this site's administration will not let the EU option win even if it is the actual winning option.
But what amazes me is the poor score of China in the bets so far.
I mean, China was only 3 Gold medals away from the US in Athens 4 years ago and, this time, they will be playing home which is a considerable medals booster.

I think I might be able to make one of my favorite points, again:
You bashers always fail to indentify the correct enemy.
Your irrational anti-Europeanism blinds you and prevents you from seeing the Chinese coming.

Likewise, you don't seem to understand that a strong EU, allied with a strong US, are our only chance for our common western values to remain significant in the centuries to come, to face the challenges of rising China, India and South-East Asia.

I am going to entirely boycott the Beijing Olympics, no way I'm going to be part of that masquerade even as a distant spectator.

When the Olympic torch was carried up the summit of Everest, the chinese brought the army at base camp for a few weeks, searched climbing expeditions (the international ones climbing everest every spring) for such dangerous items as "free tibet" flags, they confiscated or restricted the use of equipment such as phones, radios, cameras etc, closed access to the summit or high altitude camps for weeks with a sniper or two to make sure. Journalists were of course (after being asked to reach the camp in less days than it takes to acclimate) either parked and kept in leash or expelled (like the BBC).

While the Chinese climbers were proudly climbing to the summit with the olympic torch(es) on "live" TV, the army was busy supressing riots in the valley by massacring protesters.

Nothing's changed. Fuck the Chinese.

That's a lot of work, and if you think that a European 4th best (or worse) has many chances to win a gold medal, I think you will be disappointed by the results

Just shows how incongruous your comparison is. I don't think I'd be disappointed or surprised.

Many Americans are left off their Olympic team because they just barely miss making the top 3. If the U.S. could include another 3 or so in competition with the top 6 Europeans, the competition would be close. I'm not saying the U.S. would overwhelm the EU.

a strong EU, allied with a strong US, are our only chance for our common western values to remain significant

I agree. The EU and the U.S. are likely always going to be close to each other athletically because of their similarities.

State sponsored programs can produce overwhelming athletic teams because of their modus operandi; careful search for the best potential athletes at an early age, removing athletes from their homes to train them, careful training and nurturing and grooming,
best use of performance enhancers, etc.

Many Americans are left off their Olympic team because they just barely miss making the top 3.

One of your top-3 have more chances to get the Gold medal your unlucky top-4 will not get, and there's only one Gold per event.

The US is sending about 500 athletes to get about 100 medals.
They could send 1000 and not get one single more medal.

Besides, of split into 50 teams, the US would lose many team and relay medals.

One balances the other.
Arithmetic addition is not perfect but is far from incongruous.
It's the only simple way to do, anyway.

USA set to defend Olympic medal supremacy in Beijing
Jul 11 10:19 AM US/Eastern

Americans will attempt to lead the overall medal table for the fourth Summer Olympics in a row next month in Beijing, but hosts China and Russia will challenge for supremacy in golds and total medals.

US teams had the greatest medal haul for a record fourth Games in a row at Los Angeles in 1932. While Soviet Union talent topped the table eight times from 1956 to 1992, it never equaled that mark.

US squads have led the medal charts at Atlanta in 1996, Sydney in 2000 and Athens four years ago. But this time, the Chinese are going for the medal crown as hosts and with a formidable squad backed by throngs of cheering supporters.

"Russia, China and the US are vying with the most legitimate shot at the top medal count at the Olympics," said Steve Roush, chief of sport performance for the US Olympic Committee (USOC).

"This is going to be a highly competitive field. It has created an excitement around these Olympics that has been missing for a while."

In 2004, Americans claimed 102 medals, 36 of them gold. Russians took 92 overall, 27 gold, while China had 63 overall but most, 32, were gold.

China's challenge figures to be formidable. Could the US team hit the wall?

"China has an incredibly strong team. Host nations generally have home field advantage. There's a job to be done," Roush said.

"They've infused large numbers of people behind their sports program. We probably pale in comparison in terms of the level we're able to give support to our athletes.

"They've hired the world's best coaches to come in and not only coach their athletes but coach their coaches so they can improve for future generations."

But don't count on the Americans handing over the crown without a fight.

"We have a strong team. We're making no allusions about thinking the Chinese have the stongest team," USOC chief executive Jim Scherr said.

The 2004 US team won 28 medals in swimming and 25 in athletics, more than half the total American medal haul from Athens. But no one wants to toss out a medal goal for Beijing.

"We hope to do much better than the team in Athens," US swim coach Mark Schubert said.

"We want to win as many medals as possible," US women's athletics coach Jeanette Bolden said.

After US medal totals of 101, 92 and 102 at the past three Olympics, that is likely to be the range needed this time.

"I've never talked about numbers. It's one of those pressures you don't need," said US men's Olympic track coach Bubba Thornton.

"I don't think it really matters where we are. Who wins the medal count? That's what (reporters) always ask about, put the graphic up there with the medal table.

"That's why we're going - to show our competitiveness, sportsmanship, how we do things."

Americans had 97 medals at Sydney before athletics star Marion Jones admitted being a dope cheat and was stripped of three golds and two bronzes, but USOC chairman Peter Ueberroth has vowed to send a "clean team" to Beijing.

Watch the stars who will give back medals in eight years is not exactly a great marketing slogan for the US-based corporate sponsors who greatly finance the Olympic movement.

"This will be a clean team," Ueberroth said. "We're proud of the progress we've made in doping. We don't have a guarantee but we're pleased. The things you are hearing about are from a previous era. We're in a new era."

Ueberroth thinks the US system of talent development will not be humbled by products of China's intense youth sport development programs.

"I think our system will be competitive and I think it will work," he said.

Swimmer Michael Phelps will be the top US star as he chases Mark Spitz's record of seven gold medals in a single Olympics.

Phelps took six golds and two bronzes at Athens, where US swimmers led the way with 12 gold, nine silver and seven bronze medals and Australia next with seven gold, five silver and three bronze. US men won nine golds overall.

Phelps is the world record-holder in four of his five individual events - the 200m freestyle, 200m butterfly and 200m and 400m individual medleys and is a former world record-holder in the 100 fly, where US teammate Ian Crocker has the world record.

"We have a very strong men's team. We're proud of that. But we have to go to the Olympics and perform," Schubert said. "A lot of our challenge on the men's side will come from the Australians, from the Japanese, from the Europeans."

The US Olympic lineup also features the reigning women's world gymnastics champions and all-around champion Shawn Johnson and a National Basketball Association squad set to reclaim the throne after slumping to a bronze in Athens.

Well, that does it for me, I'm betting on the USA. Luny, you're toast on this one.

The US is sending about 500 athletes to get about 100 medals.
They could send 1000 and not get one single more medal

Or, more likely, they'd win many more.

If they gave medals in long-windedness, you'd win a gold hands down.

I'm just not interested enough to go through the trouble of rebuting your arguments, so you win by default.

Who will enter the most athletes in the 2008 Olympics?
China? European Union? USA? Other?

If Europeans sent there only the best, those gold winning athletes, we would have same number of athletes as US and China has. But that wouldn't change number of gold medals, right?

I admit that it would've affect on our silver and bronze medals. We couldn't have triple victories anymore. There could be more of US, Russia or China on second and third place instead.

The EU represents 30? countries with each a team. The USA only gets one shoot, one team. If we get to field 50 teams we would even win more gold

For the last time, you already send there the best you can. What could you possibly win with 50 teams?

You have only one Marion Jones - and not even that anymore. If some rookie can replace her this summer, and is able to win several gold medals for US just like she did, we'll see if I am wrong and you're right.

You may sent there 300 million people to compete, but it won't change a thing. They just can't win the very best of Europeans, unless all Europeans fail somehow.