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Brussels is not prepared for what might hit it if (when) the Tories win the next election (karma: 7)
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By Bombs_Away_LeMay   Comments: 10836, member since Mon Jan 06, 2003
On Fri Jul 11, 2008 09:41 AM
Edited by Bombs_Away_LeMay (53615) on 2008-07-11 09:42:27
Here is another thought to dampen the confidence of the Brussels set. If opinion polls are to be believed, the Conservatives will form the next British government by the spring of 2010. As a Tory victory draws closer, two things may happen: the Irish will become harder to isolate; and talk of a two-speed Europe will become more dangerous and destabilising for the EU.
Today’s Conservatives would form the most Eurosceptic government since Britain joined the club in 1973. Unlike previous Tory bosses, David Cameron does not have to accommodate pro-Europeans in the party, let alone in his inner circle.
In a very likely scenario, Lisbon will not not been ratified by all 27 countries when a Conservative government takes office. Insiders say it is quite simple: Mr Cameron would hold a referendum and campaign for voters to reject the treaty. Britain would then withdraw its ratification and Lisbon would be dead.
One stunned EU diplomat says that “nuclear is not a strong enough word” to describe this option. Conservatives say that they sincerely want Lisbon stopped.
The Tories will save Britannia-and Europe's nations-once again!
Death to the Brussels Politburo!!
Europe’s Tory nightmare
July 10th 2008
From The Economist print edition
Brussels is not prepared for what might hit it if Britain’s Conservative Party wins the next election
A COMPLACENT calm reigns in Brussels a month after Irish voters rejected the Lisbon treaty. Eurocrats seem persuaded that Lisbon can be salvaged quickly if other countries are pushed to keep ratifying it, so that an isolated Ireland feels bound to hold a second vote. The maddest optimists have started talking of a new Irish referendum next March, allowing Lisbon to come into force before the European elections in June 2009.
Madder still are hotheads in the federalist camp who seem to yearn for Ireland to rule out a second vote. For they too have a plan ready: a two-speed Europe, with Ireland “invited” to move out of the way into the slow lane. Oddly, there is little debate about a third possibility that is surely more likely than either of these. What will EU leaders do if Ireland’s prime minister tells them this autumn that he is not ruling out another vote, but wants to delay? There is a recession, he might note, and the polls are iffy (say 49% for a yes); we rush this at our peril.
Here is another thought to dampen the confidence of the Brussels set. If opinion polls are to be believed, the Conservatives will form the next British government by the spring of 2010. As a Tory victory draws closer, two things may happen: the Irish will become harder to isolate; and talk of a two-speed Europe will become more dangerous and destabilising for the EU. In truth, for the two-speed Europe camp, little Ireland is barely a prize. But pushing a sullen Britain into an outer circle would clear the way for all sorts of Euro-integration. Such federalists have their mirror-opposites in Britain. Eurosceptic hardliners dream that Britain could negotiate a nice free-trade pact with the EU, like a giant Norway or Switzerland (but without as much fish or cheese). The odds are still against Britain walking out. But the country has changed in ways that Brussels underestimates. A cool-headed majority on both sides would surely regret it if Britain accidentally fell out of the union, without proper debate.
Today’s Conservatives would form the most Eurosceptic government since Britain joined the club in 1973. Unlike previous Tory bosses, David Cameron does not have to accommodate pro-Europeans in the party, let alone in his inner circle (just three Tory members of Parliament voted with the government on the Lisbon Treaty in March, and all were over 60). It is true that Mr Cameron does not want to “bang on” about Europe, alienating voters whose distaste for the EU is matched only by their desire never to hear anything about it. Indeed, the EU is unlikely to be one of Mr Cameron’s top three campaign themes. But once elected, a Conservative government is sure to pick some fights.
In the European Parliament, the Tories are committed to severing their formal link with the other main centre-right parties in the European People’s Party, and to set up a new formation of more sceptical parties, taking in allies from the ex-communist east. Pro-European Tories fret that they will fail to find such allies and end up on the independent benches, denied the influence enjoyed by those in formal groups. But voters could not care less about influence in Strasbourg (in one poll, 88% of Britons could not name their members in the European Parliament).
On the Lisbon treaty, a new British government will face one of three scenarios. In the first, seen as easiest by the Conservatives, they come to office to find Lisbon abandoned, because the Irish have convinced other countries that they cannot hold a second vote. Even this may not be plain sailing. Other governments might start “cherry-picking” bits of Lisbon that can be implemented without a new treaty—including pushing ahead with scrapping national vetoes on some areas of cross-border justice, police and immigration policy. There would be calls to give greater legal force to the charter of fundamental rights, a sweeping catalogue of social and civil rights. Mr Cameron would swiftly find himself in the familiar territory of British opt-outs. As it happens, Lisbon offered Britain hefty opt-outs on both justice and the charter, which might well be offered again—but the Conservatives have already dismissed these as inadequate.
In a second scenario, Lisbon has not been ratified by all 27 countries when a Conservative government takes office. Outsiders assume this would be tricky for the Tory high command, forcing a knotty European dilemma onto their agenda. But insiders say it is quite simple: Mr Cameron would hold a referendum and campaign for voters to reject the treaty. Britain would then withdraw its ratification and Lisbon would be dead. One stunned EU diplomat says that “nuclear is not a strong enough word” to describe this option, and hopes that the Tories do not mean it. Conservatives say that they sincerely want Lisbon stopped.
Vote and be damned?
It is a third scenario that is the trickiest: one in which all 27 countries have ratified Lisbon, including Ireland, so that it is already in force as the union’s rulebook when the Tories come to power. Anti-EU absolutists would push Mr Cameron to hold a referendum anyway, as a prelude to Britain renegotiating the treaty. Mr Cameron and his shadow foreign secretary, William Hague, have already promised that if they come to office to find the treaty in force, they will “not let matters rest there”.
This assertion is a bluff. A post-ratification referendum would be a legal nightmare, with open-ended political consequences, and Tory leaders know it. More likely, they will push for something else: a repatriation of powers from Brussels in the field of social and employment laws (ie, more opt-outs). Though awkward, this might be doable given enough political will. But everything has a price in Brussels: Britain could end up losing over the EU budget, say, or its access to the single market might be compromised (it is not a level playing-field, rivals would grumble).
Europe faces a time of instability, in which Britain and other players do not have the measure of each other. That makes the calm that reigns in Brussels more than complacent: it is baffling.
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Brussels is not prepared for what might hit it if Britain’s Conservative Party wins the next election
It's Britain that is not prepared.
The EU is much more important to Britain, than Britain is to the EU.
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God Save the Queen
God Bash the EU
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Atlunatic,
Britons want a free market trading agreement with EU member states and nothing more.
If that is not in the cards, then the Tories will take Britannia out of the EU.
Then will highly likely follow Sweden, Denmark, the Czech Republic, maybe Italy, Poland and Holland as well, and perhaps others.
The EU will then have essentially only Germany and France and the frogs will be Germany's bitch with the Germans calling all the shots-something you frogs long for so you should be very happy! 
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Do you mean that they will leave or continue to whine ?
I guess they will not leave.
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You live in a fantasy world BAL. EU gives billions to Czechs and Poles for the development of their country. Do you think they will just say "No, keep your money, UK will fund us now".
Mouarf !
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The eu is much more important to Britain, than Britain is to the eu.
you are indeed a RETARD....WHAT country TAKES the VAT money for its
own farmers and is a net TAKER from the eu? Hint: NOT the UK.
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Parrot parigot
You moron, the Czechs aren't "for sale" and their sovereignty means infinitely more to them than some new EU subsidized garbage incinerator or something...
You wouldn't understand, I reckon, as you are a frog and frogs will sell out TO ANYONE...
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"Parrot parigot
You moron, the Czechs aren't "for sale" and their sovereignty means infinitely more to them"
That's why their people didn't want to let american missiles installed on their soil. Despite that, their government signed the bill. You can count on new anti-american movements soon.
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Death to the Brussels Politburo!
Kosovo Serbs watch a burning EU flag.
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EU gives billions to Czechs and Poles for the development of their country.
Tell us all parisishit, precisely where do all those EU billions come from?
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EnglishFrenchman wrote:
EU gives billions to Czechs and Poles for the development of their country.
Tell us all parisishit, precisely where do all those EU billions come from?
England???
What did I win??? 
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| re: Brussels is not prepared for what might hit it if (when) the Tories win the next election (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>enBy EnglishFrenchman
Comments: 6183, member since Wed Nov 23, 2005
On Sat Jul 12, 2008 07:32 AM
Edited by EnglishFrenchman (78556) on 2008-07-12 07:53:07 Drinking from home
The EU is much more important to Britain, than Britain is to the EU.
You really do want to be the laughing stock of every thread, dont you luny?
These are the actual facts of the UK`s involvement in the EU farce.
The facts:
● Over-regulation costs Britain at least £26 billion per annum
● The Common Agricultural Policy costs Britain at least £15.6 billion a year
● Since 1973 the UK has made contributions to the EC budget of almost £213.6 billion gross or £66.3 billion net, by 2013 this figure will have increased to £299.8 billion gross, or £102.2 billion net
● Britain's accumulated trade deficit with the other EU member states since we joined has risen to £359.5 billion
This year membership of the European Union will cost Britain £60.1 billion gross, or £50.6 billion net
This year these ridiculous figures will rise by another 5.5 billion thanks to T. ( the cunt ) Bliar.
Yeah luny we really need the fucking useless EU.
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Atlantic obviously does not believe in a sovereign France; ergo he is a traitor to France. Atlantic in his own way hates France more than the most hard core basher on this site.
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Atlantic in his own way hates France more than the most hard core basher on this site.
Alunatic, is a typical self loathing socialist, they actually despise everything in one way or another, even the things they pretend to love, starting with themselves.
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The Fnerch have masturbatory fantasies of dominating Europe and punishing the UK, unfortunately for them Fnarch lacks the military might to do either. The only way they can do this is to be at the heart of the 'European Union', creating rules which work to the advantage of the Fnerch and bash the UK.
Stinky sly devious conniving degenerates.
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Stop you phantasms. Somebody can explain to me why UK companies are proeuropeans ?
Why did they never leave and why will they never leave ?
Do you tink UK companies are masochistic weirdos ?
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parigot wrote:
Stop you phantasms. Somebody can explain to me why UK companies are proeuropeans ?
Why did they never leave and why will they never leave ?
Do you tink UK companies are masochistic weirdos ?
Proof ?
UK companies are only interested in Europe for trade, all the other marxist bullshit and red tape is anathema to them.
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EU forced every countries to privatize energy sectors, transport sectors, etc, helped to create a governents free central bank and organize fair competition in every markets.
So much for a "marxist" organisation.
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Somebody can explain to me why UK companies are proeuropeans ?
Parishit, stop lying, you are making yourself look stupid.....again.
Try looking at the CBI website and see just how pro EUropean British Industry is or YouGov, surprise yourself, if you have the courage that is.
Meanwhile 88.8% of Brits reject Lisbon, LOL, do you imagine for one moment the treaty will survive?
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So much for a "marxist" organisation
I, for once agree with you it is not classical Marxian, it is economically and politically however, Neo-Fascist / Authoritarian-Socialist ala the German and Italian Fascist state models, is it not?
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Provide the link...
The fact is that Swiss too make business with EU. So, why UK don't leave ?
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You guys have a non elected Queen as your head of state and someone you never elected too as a PM.
Ask for a local election before talking about how fascist is the EU.
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parigot wrote:
Provide the link...
The fact is that Swiss too make business with EU. So, why UK don't leave ?
If it were put to a referendum, I'm sure we would.
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So, why UK don't leave ?
Parishit, the electorate of the EU has been systematically lied to over 30 years as to where we are going with the EU. At the last Election we were promised a referendum on Lisbon.
The cowardly shits of Zanu-Labour renaged on that promise. You might have noticed they have gone from 47% to 19% in the polls, they are finished in the UK as a political force.
The Tories will give us a referendum and guess what?
We will leave.
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"At the last Election "
At the last BRITISH election.
Since that time you changed of PM without en election. Peoples can lead your country without a single eection. And EU is not ruled by some extraterrestrial gremlins but our head of states.
Our President is mad but at least we elected him.
Before to complain against EU, try to raise your democracy level in UK FIRST !
Are you aware that your problems come from UK first ? That the tories will be elected only IF Brown decide to organize an elecion. You should make a revolution.
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