French posters frequently protest the lack of free speech on this site. These complaints stem from the inability to differentiate private property from the public domain and their vain attempts to compare the vast freedoms of the USA to the rights of private property owners. In reality they have a greater degree of free speech on this site than they have in their own country.

If their bureacrats consistently followed the letter of the law, French posters would be prosecuted here and fined for simply expressing themselves and that does not even and take into consideration the penchant of French members for posting underage pornography and paedophile imagery. The cases against free speech and expression in France are well known and varied such prohibitions on the sale of WWII materials, the prosecution of Bridgette Bardow for her stance against Islam, and Goldnagel's victory in a defamation case for the slandering of Jews, just to name a few examples. Most European countries have laws restricting hate speech that, even if they predate the mid-20th century rise of Nazism, have been reinforced by the shared history of the Holocaust. Many free-speech cases have been set off since Sept. 11 by criticism of Islam amid concerns about Europe's growing conservative Muslim population.

Americans are obviously repulsed by statements of Jewish Holocaust deniers, Armenian Genocide deniers, and even September 11th Tragedy deniers in France. Their prosecution and resulting laughable pecuniary punishments only serves to give them additional publicity and even more fame in their target audiences. It must be noted, that similar statements are made by many French posters here and they are not typically banned or given karma penalties. If French posters complain, they should be forced to live with the rules and penalties of their own country here, one of the wisest suggestions by JerryLewisSuxs from bygone years here.

French people in general have a fundamental problem in distinguishing the realm of the public and the private one. This stems from their rigid indoctrination in Marxist/Socialist ideals, warping their minds for life, unless enlightened Americans happen to show them the error of their ways. This website is private and not public, so the owners and management staff can regulate it according to their own wishes and desires. French participants would be upset and they would eject the guest from their domicile, if that guest starting removing all of their mime posters, stealing their cheese, and insisting livestock stay outside. If the French do not like it here, then they can go somewhere else, but they will not be uttering their bigoted commentaries in France, because it is against the law.

Of course they do, unfortunately our French friends don't possess the mental acuity to actually make use of free speech.

It's better they live in a Socialist society and their government tells them what to think. Less dangerous for them.

You would not know "free speech" if it slapped you in the face and raped your arse, Mr Boohoo-someone-is-degrading-military-paper-scribbling-personnel.

Free Bring_it_on!

This poll is not even debatable.

If you call someone a fag in France you face fines and possibly jail time. Fucking fascism!

"Incitement to discrimination" on the grounds of sexual orientation may now result in a fine of 40,000 Euros and even 12 months in prison, while public statements against the LGBT (Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender) community would produce a lesser time in jail and lighter fine of 22,500 Euros.

The FF forum operates under the 1st amendment.

France has nothing similar, in theory or practice.

US_Kopfjaeger wrote:

Of course they do, unfortunately our French friends don't possess the mental acuity to actually make use of free speech.

It's better they live in a Socialist society and their government tells them what to think. Less dangerous for them.

Absolutely. There is NO such thing as free speech in France. How could there be? For speech to be effective you need a corresponding listening factor, and the French don't listen to anyone but their own whingeing voices.

Why should they, when there's nothing for them to hear. This is the inevitable result when you think you know it all already.

The French are so far up themselves they can't even hear the rest of the world laughing at them.

caledonian. i bet in the real life, you are someone normal. can you explain me why you become abnormal in this site ?
Move on from france once and for all.

on FF if you make fun of the militaries and the 3000 9/11 victims with funny pictures you get banned.
But if you make fun of the 6 000 000 ww2 victims and specialy if they are french it's ok.

In France it's the reverse...

Go and figure

JeanValette wrote:

French posters frequently protest the lack of free speech on this site. These complaints stem from blah blah blah

You've got to love flawed-premises questions.

Baltic-Valette-the-Retard's first sentence is an assertion he'd be hard pressed to back up with proof.

But since Baltringue lives in a world of his own, I guess facts are rather unimportant.

Move on from france once and for all.

If only I could, simple, but I am stuck here for another 10 years...

And you are absolutely right. I am normal. That's why I stand out so much in France.

In France, the degree of freeze speech is just below 0 °C.
I've no clue how to compare that to US' one, since there
freeze speeh degree is expressed in gallons.

Dawa wrote:

on FF if you make fun of the militaries and the 3000 9/11 victims with funny pictures you get banned. But if you make fun of the 6 000 000 ww2 victims and specialy if they are french it's ok. In France it's the reverse...Go and figure

If French posters making fun of WWII would be banned here, then about half of the site's French posters would no longer be participating on these forums. How come France does not include making fun of military deaths and the 9/11 tragedy? Under the The Gayssot Act in France initially was meant to stop the deniers of the Holocaust and other genocides, as defined by the crimes against humanity London Charter of 1945. Now it covers hate speech in general against muslims, gays, Jews, etc. As I have stated above, if the same laws of France were fully put into practice on this private site, French participation would be virtually eliminated. French posters have a greater degree of free speech on this website than in their own country, period.

The Gayssot Act (Loi Gayssot), voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it an offense in France to question the existence of the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46 (art.9). Proposed by the communist deputy Jean-Claude Gayssot, it is one of several European laws prohibiting Holocaust denial. Its first article states that "any discrimination founded on the membership or non-membership to an ethnic group, a nation, a race or a religion is prohibited." The Commission nationale consultative des droits de l'homme (Human Rights Consultative National Commission), created in 1947, is charged of making a yearly, public report on the situation of racism in France.

ah,the loi gayssot , a jewish-bolchevick law


good point for you baltringue


VEry good proof of the links beetween the communists, the far left and the joos in France

Baltoc wrote:

Do French posters have a greater degree of free speech on this site than in their own country?

Nope. However, I'd have got an instant permaban for a comment like this (see below) on a French website. To sum up, I did write that Corsica is a den of rats and that the continental French should therefore rampage through the fucking island and shoot every fucking nationalist right in the nape.

Yorktown wrote:

Mais la Corse est un bien beau pays, ma jolie. Le seul problème, c'est les connards qui y habitent. Une engeance vicelarde qu'on aurait dû mettre au pas à la mode vendéenne, façon colonnes infernales de Turreau. Le jour où on logera une balle dans la nuque de chaque nationaliste, j'aurai un peu plus de respect pour les Corses. (Feel free to K me here.)

But at least muslim girl are banned from french public schools when the wear the islamic veil

and french state refused to grant french nationality to muslim women on the reason that she was wearing islamic veil, and that is was a sign that she do not fit with french values

Try to implement such measures in "free-speech UK" and you'll get a revolution.



in UK schools, even non-muslim pupils have to pray Allah or they are punished
link : www.dailymail.co.uk . . .


And you won't see that in Paris

Like a lot of things in your country, the freedom of speech is garanted by the 1st amedment but that's an illusion if we consider that a company can limit your freedom of free speech if you work for it.

There's dozen kinds of limitations. And to compare your federal laws with our laws is stupid. We have a unique set of laws while you have federal, state and local laws. Peoples in the deep Utah and in Berkeley are not really equals facing the law.

Same restriction for the government employees. Try to criticize the Army JV.

parigot wrote:

Same restriction for the government employees. Try to criticize the Army JV.

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People in the military like myself VOLUNTARILY give up many of their rights. For example, it would frowned upon if not outright prohibited to appear in certain types of politically charged demonstrations. In the same vein, I have given up free speech on many levels. I cannot criticize the military outside the COC or become overtly politically active, just to name two examples. After reflection on the matter, I decided it would not be prudent to even put overtly political magnets with slogans promoting my interests on my property and vehicle in this election year. I just have a Never Forget 9/11 magnet on the truck. That is one of the reasons, why this place is great for anonymously blowing off steam.

www.jihadwatch.org . . .

Brussels Prosecutes Aramaic Priest and Fugitive for Islamophobia
From Paul Belien at the Brussels Journal, with thanks to all who sent this in:

One of the rare Belgian churches that is packed every weekend is the church of Saint Anthony of Padova in Montignies-sur-Sambre, one of the poorest suburbs of Charleroi, a derelict rust belt area to the south of Brussels. Holy Mass in Montignies is conducted in Latin and lasts up to four hours. Yesterday over 2,000 people attended the service by Father Samuel (Père Samuel). The priest’s sermon dealt with his persecution. The Belgian authorities are bringing the popular priest to court on charges of racism.

Father Samuel has been prosecuted for “incitement to racist hatred” by the Belgian government’s inquisition agency, the so-called Centre for Equal Opportunities and Opposition to Racism (CEOOR), because of a remark he made in a 2002 television interview when he said:

“Every thoroughly islamized Muslim child that is born in Europe is a time bomb for Western children in the future. The latter will be persecuted when they have become a minority.”

JV.You are spinning my comment:
French rarely make fun of WW2 on this site. However it is a tradition for US fuckers.

Perhaps if the french had balls they should make fun of the dead soldiers and civilians since 9/11 and get ALL banned...This site would just drown without any french to bash.
However this would take balls: something the french on this site seriously lack of...

Dawa wrote:

However this would take balls: something the french on this site seriously lack of...

I quoted the only accurate part of your post. I give partial credit, karma. As to the site not funcitoning without the French, that is completely false. French topics hold people's interest les and less. The greatest number of threads deal with the US election and the US military. French people know little to nothing about about those topics, so they comment less and less. French participation will naturally wane with a new president here this year, since they will no longer a scapegoat for their problems and an object for the irrational fears in the esteemed George W. Bush. I am one of your last sponsors here in providing France with a few more brief seconds of its fifteen minutes of fame. France is once again falling into irrelevence only to be mentioned as the replacement of Poles as the butt of garish jokes.

My poor Baltic, if you now compare the nature of free speech on a website and in a country, it might be time you cool down a little bit on your internet activity...

Atlantic wrote:

My poor Baltic, if you now compare the nature of free speech on a website and in a country, it might be time you cool down a little bit on your internet activity...

Kind of funny, that is, what the French always do. here SuperBoss made that irrational comparison in several of his posts. This poll rejects the basis of that French dolt's complaints. Just to recap, more than 3/4 of the posters here acknowledge, that French posters have a greater degree of free speech on this site than in France.

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Pretty much says it all

French rarely make fun of WW2 on this site.

. . . . For crying out loud, the frenchies lost WW2 twice! How could they make fun of it then?

Most of the population either collaborated with the Nazis, screwed the Nazis or had previously surrendered to the Nazis....how'd you expect them to find that humorous?

come on Italians find it humorous and they were far worse.

If the french dont find it funny it's because they have some kind of decency you dont have.