Credit where it's due, praise to the stinkies, or at least their fearless ancestors of 1300 years ago !

Credit where it's due, praise to the stinkies, or at least their fearless ancestors of 1300 years ago !

For sure because it took only a handful of muzzies to destroy a large area of a huge city of the most powerful nation on Earth while killing 3000+ of their citizen.
The CIA/FBI with their thousands and thousands of highly trained intelligence men and women together with their billion of $ budget could do nothing to prevent it.

I remember it like it was yesterday.

Comme disait Coluche:

732 - Charles Martel arrête les Arabes à moitié.

Sorry, not translatable...

You have to reach back 1300 years to a minor skirmish to find something to brag about? Pretty sad

Fearless' Huegenot forebears led the charge against the muslims, then slew the Roman Catholics, and then decamped to Tennessee to psychoanalyze the squirrel brain eaters.

2009 = The Habs win the Stanley Cup.

ChampionGoats wrote:

You have to reach back 1300 years to a minor skirmish to find something to brag about? Pretty sad

this, shows your ignorance.

It is one of the most important battle in mankind's history, if not the most important.

2009 = The Habs win the Stanley Cup.

10/ 11/2008.


Sarah Palin drops the puck at the Flyers/ Rangers hockey game, eh.

ohmygawd wrote:

[q=ChampionGoats]You have to reach back 1300 years to a minor skirmish to find something to brag about? Pretty sad

this, shows your ignorance.

It is one of the most important battle in mankind's history, if not the most important.

If you think so then you are as ignorant as you sound. I bet you count with your fingers and toes and still sound out the letters when you read

Sarah Palin drops the puck at the Flyers/ Rangers hockey game, eh.

I bet 50 bucks on McCain. I hope he's worth them.

OldLyme wrote:

Fearless' Huegenot forebears led the charge against the muslims, then slew the Roman Catholics, and then decamped to Tennessee to psychoanalyze the squirrel brain eaters.

No they didn't

ChampionGoats wrote:

You have to reach back 1300 years to a minor skirmish to find something to brag about? Pretty sad

Good point, but still, credit where it's due

I for one am grateful to God for Charles Martel and the victory at Poitiers.

I for one am grateful to God for Charles Martel and the victory at Poitiers.

Allow me to rephrase your thought, Fred.

I for one am grateful to God for Alex Kovalev and his victory on the Stanley Cup battlefield.

I may go to Boston in 2009 to support the Habs.

Ancient era

Ancient stategy

Ancient model of warfare

Doesn't count for much for what we remember about France and her military might over the past 100 years! Opps, did i say military might?

Something else to remember to celebrate this fine day 11th October...

First Indochina War: The Viet Minh take control of North Vietnam

By 1954, despite official propaganda presenting the war as a "crusade against communism", the war in Indochina was still growing unpopular with the French public. The political stagnation of the Fourth Republic meant that France was unable to extract itself from the conflict. The United States initially sought to remain neutral, viewing the conflict as chiefly a decolonization war. The Battle of Dien Bien Phu occurred in 1954 between Viet Minh forces under Vo Nguyen Giap supported by China and the Soviet Union and the French Union's French Far East Expeditionary Corps supported by Indochinese allies and the United States. The battle was fought near the village of Dien Bien Phu in northern Vietnam and became the last major battle between the French and the Vietnamese in the First Indochina War. The battle began on March 13 when the Việt Minh attacked preemptively surprising the French with heavy artillery. Their supply lines interrupted, the French position became untenable , particularly when the advent of the monsoon season made dropping supplies and reinforcements by parachute difficult. With defeat imminent, the French sought to hold on till the opening of the Geneva peace meeting on April 26. The last French offensive took place on May 4, but it was ineffective. The Viet Minh then began to hammer the outpost with newly supplied Katyusha rockets. The final fall took two days, May 6 and 7th, during which the French fought on but were eventually overrun by a huge frontal assault. General Cogny based in Hanoi ordered General de Castries, who was commanding the outpost to cease fire at 5:30PM and to destroy all material (weapons, transmissions, etc.) to deny their use to the enemy. A formal order was given to not use the white flag so that it would not be considered to be a surrender but a ceasefire.

Froggies, have to take the good with the bad i'm afraid!


en.wikipedia.org . . .

The Franks were German.

The Franks were German.

ibigmang wrote:

The Franks were German.

Yeah. And you? A clownesque wop from Napoli?

The Franks were Franks. Clovis was the first King of Franks and Charlemagne the greatest who united most of what is now France and Germany.

Charlemagne should be considered a German. He was not born in France. He was probably born in Germany or Belgium at the worst. And he didn't speak French or any of the early versions of Frog-speak

Charlemagne's native tongue is a matter of controversy; it was probably a Germanic dialect of the Franks, but linguists differ on its identity and chronology. Some linguists go so far as to say that he did not speak Old Frankish as he was born in 742 or 747, by which time Old Frankish had become extinct. Old Frankish is reconstructed from its descendant, Old Low Franconian, also called Old Dutch, and from loanwords to Old French. Linguists know very little about Old Frankish, as it attested mainly as phrases and words in the law codes of the main Frankish tribes (especially those of the Salian and Ripuarian Franks), which are written in Latin interspersed with Germanic elements.[5]

The area of Charlemagne's birth does not make determination of his native language easier. Most historians agree he was born around Liège, like his father, but some say he was born in or around Aachen, some fifty kilometres away. At that time, this was an area of great linguistic diversity. If we take Liège (around 750) as the centre, we find Low Franconian in the north and northwest, Gallo-Romance (the ancestor of Old French) in the south and southwest and various Old High German dialects in the east. If Gallo-Romance is excluded, that means he either spoke Old Low Franconian or an Old High German dialect, probably with a strong Frankish influence.

en.wikipedia.org . . .

ChampionGoats wrote:

Charlemagne should be considered a German. He was not born in France. He was probably born in Germany or Belgium at the worst. And he didn't speak French or any of the early versions of Frog-speak

Wow, you're a true genius, aren't you?
And which language did your ancestors speak 1200 years ago?

All of Europe in the 8th century was ethnically and politically fluid. It does not bear a lot of semblance to what we have today. Gaul of the period of the Muslim invasions prior to 732 A.D. was very fluid, ethnically and politically. Al Ghafiqi, the Muslim commander, was from Yemen and much of his army was recruited from Arabia and the Levant, with some Berber elements. They were a long way from home, and they were motivated by loot. So, when their baggage train of the loot was threatened, portions of Al Ghafiqi's army left the field of battle and allowed Martel to really strangle the Muslim army.

Thank God for this. It saved Western Civilization and Christianity. This truly was one of the pivotal moments in human civilization; therefore we should not reduce its stature of meaning and collapse it into the templates of our FF theme.

For me, it does not matter if one claims Charles Martel for Germania, Frankia, or Burgundia. The Muslims were ravaging Aquitainia and Landuedoc. They were defeated and then rolled back out of Gaul over the Pyrrhenees into their box in al Andalus, where eventually they were defeated centuries later, after a long struggle by Iberian Christians against the oppression of dhimmitude.

Charlemagne should be considered a German.

France, Germany, Belgium, Rome...
Reminds me of something...