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Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 8)  en>fr fr>en
By poz_2000 Comments: 2147, member since Thu May 15, 2003
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:53 PM
As far as I’m concerned, Frenchmen are back in vogue. Who could ever have predicted that the French president would stand up for women’s universal rights and for freedom as a universal right — while the American president would hang back, wait, temporize? It’s almost as if we’ve elected a Frenchman president of the United States — and an American-style president is ruling France.

Please contrast the following two speeches.

On June 22th, 2009, President Nicholas Sarkozy stated that he viewed the full-body burqa and niquab as a sign of the “debasement” of women and that it won’t be welcome in France. According to the glorious Sarkozy:

“In our country, we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity … The burqa is not a religious sign, it’s a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement — I want to say it solemnly, it will not be welcome on the territory of the French Republic.”

France has Europe’s largest Muslim population, an estimated 5 million people. Many are hostile to the western enterprise, but some are in the vocal forefront of the fight for women’s and human rights. In 2004, France passed a law “banning the Islamic headscarf and other conspicuous religious symbols from public schools, sparking fierce debate at home and abroad.”

Now, contrast Sarkozy’s words with what President Obama said in Cairo on June 4th, 2009.

“Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible from the freedom to practice one’s religion. That is why there is a mosque in every state of our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That is why the U.S. government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it.

So let there be no doubt: Islam is a part of America. And I believe that America holds within her the truth that regardless of race, religion, or station in life, all of us share common aspirations — to live in peace and security; to get an education and to work with dignity; to love our families, our communities, and our God. These things we share. This is the hope of all humanity.”

This is why I described Obama’s Cairo speech as “throwing Muslim women under the bus.” Obama is literally signaling to the Muslim world that they will be able to create a parallel universe in the land of the free and the home of the brave — and will be able to continue to use our laws to do so.

(I know, I know, Obama also threw Israel under the bus — and yet, some say that his speech was also calculated, careful, respectful — a give-peace-a-chance kind of speech to an audience that has continually called for “death to America.” )

Now, contrast how the two Presidents recently discussed the police riots in the streets of Iran.

On June 16, 2009, according to the AP, President Sarkozy denounced the Iranian government’s “brutal” reaction to “demonstrators protesting the nation’s disputed election. Sarkozy calls the situation in Iran “extremely alarming” and says Iran’s clampdown on demonstrators was “totally disproportionate.” Sarkozy also said: “The ruling power claims to have won the elections … if that were true, we must ask why they find it necessary to imprison their opponents and repress them with such violence.”

On that same date, June 16th, according to the Wall Street Journal here’s what President Obama had to say. He “voiced concern about how the election had been conducted, although he fell short of denouncing the vote. What Obama himself actually said was this: “It is up to Iranians to make decisions about who Iran’s leaders will be. We respect Iranian sovereignty and want to avoid the United States being the issue inside of Iran.” Obama then went on to say that “the world is watching” and to describe the demonstrators as “inspiring, regardless of what the ultimate outcome of the election was.”

On June 19th, CBS News quoted President Obama again. This time he said: “The last thing that I want to do is to have the United States be a foil for — those forces inside Iran who would love nothing better than to make this an argument about the United States. That’s what they do. That’s what we have already seen. We shouldn’t be playing into that … now what we can do is bear witness and say to the world that the incredible demonstrations that we’ve seen is a testimony to — I think what Dr. King called the — arc of the moral universe. It is long but it bends towards justice.”

I am not entirely sure what this means but I wonder if this is what Attorney General Robert Kennedy and President John F. Kennedy said to Dr. King or to James Meredith’s supporters in the 1960s when they were beaten, murdered, and imprisoned in southern jails? In 1962, our government sent 13,500 federal troops to Oxford, Mississippi to quell racist rioting there. True: This all happened on sovereign American soil. But isn’t President Obama a citizen of the world, a universalist, someone who prides himself on his knowledge that we all live in a global community?

On June 22, the Wall Street Journal editorial stated the following: “Mr. Obama finally stiffened his rhetoric on Saturday, calling “on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.” This is an improvement, though he said this only after both houses of Congress condemned Iran’s crackdown on Friday.”

‘Tis true: America has a long history of meddling in foreign affairs, and we have supported corrupt tyrants in the service of the stable, status quo. President Obama, for all his calls for “hope and change” is following traditional American policy. N’est ce-pas? (Isn’t that so?). Allow me to clarify: I am not calling for boots on the ground, for an expansion of the war that America is already waging in Afghanistan and Iraq. I am merely calling for more principled, more “inspiring” words on behalf of freedom and women’s rights from our very eloquent American President, our Master Wordsmith. At least that.

And, I am calling for one law for women in America. I hope President Obama supports this view.

As for my part: I have already begun to remember my love of French literature, cheese, wine, cooking, perfume, fashion, and art. Ever since Chirac coddled Arafat, and De Gaulle opened the French borders to Muslim immigration (in return for hoped-for oil markets) , I have rarely indulged these guilty pleasures. Now — Vive La France!

UPDATE:

Today, Britain’s Daily Express notes that a group of 58 MPs, from both the Left and Right, called upon the French Parliament “to take action against ‘oppressive dress that breaches individual freedoms’”.

Journalist Peter Allen estimates that 100,000 French Muslim women wear full burkhas. Communit MP Andre Gerin called the burkha and niquab a “moving prison.” Women’s rights groups, including Muslim feminist groups, have supported similar measures.

“Housing Minister Fadela Amara, a women’s rights campaigner of Algerian background, expressed alarm at the number of women who were ‘being put in this kind of tomb’, adding: ‘We must do everything to stop burkhas from spreading.’”

The rector of the Paris Mosque, Dalil Boubakeur, also supported an inquiry, saying that “covering women’s faces was a fundamentalist practice which originated in Afghanistan and was not prescribed by Islam. ” He was opposed by Mohammed Moussaou, the head of the French Muslim Council, who “accused lawmakers of wasting time on a fringe phenomenon.”

“To raise the subject like this is a way of stigmatising Islam.”

Yes, it sure is. But westerners do so, not only to discourage further Islamist immigration into France, but because western values and laws are offended by Muslim and/or “cultural” practices such as veiling, arranged marriage to first cousins, polygamy, and honor killing.

Of course, after the accusation of “profiling” or “stigmatizing” is raised, the very next accusation is usually this: Indeed, a spokesman for The Muslim Council of Great Britain just said: “Unfortunately there is pressure on women to dress skimpily in the west. ”

Thus, since every culture objectifies women, one way or the other, no culture should be charged with this as a crime. Rather, if one culture forces/influences women to wear bikinis, then Islamist culture actually seeks to correct that by “covering” their women so that women may be able to avoid the male “gaze,” and in order to avoid being “Orientalized.”

But every line that Edward Said, (the author of Orientalism), wrote is a lie or, at best, a half-truth. Western culture has been “had.” Read my good friend Ibn Warraq’s book all about this. The title: Defending the West. A Critique of Edward Said’s Orientalism.

46 Replies to Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa.

re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 7)  en>fr fr>en
By malbarre Comments: 17899, member since Wed Aug 24, 2005
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 01:04 PM
Edited by malbarre (77758) on 2009-06-23 13:38:00 Forgot the piece of music!
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By starspangled Comments: 26097, member since Sat Dec 27, 2003
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 01:14 PM
I don't understand why islam's been given religious status in the US, since it's a foreign and domestic enemy.

Death to all who support allah!
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. en>fr fr>en
By MichalAugust Comments: 970, member since Thu May 31, 2007
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 02:19 PM
starspangled wrote:

I don't understand why islam's been given religious status in the US, since it's a foreign and domestic enemy.

Death to all who support allah!


Petro bucks.
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By Lily42 Comments: 5912, member since Mon Jul 26, 2004
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 02:24 PM
poz_2000 wrote:

Journalist Peter Allen estimates that 100,000 French Muslim women wear full burkhas.

*rofl*

I estimate Peter Allen is an utter moron writing for tabloids.
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By malbarre Comments: 17899, member since Wed Aug 24, 2005
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 02:29 PM
Lily42 wrote:

[q=poz_2000]Journalist Peter Allen estimates that 100,000 French Muslim women wear full burkhas.

*rofl*

I estimate Peter Allen is an utter moron writing for tabloids.[/q]

Why? Unfortunately, it is certainly more :? ... It is actually a pandemia.Even in the XVIth area you find this kind of scumbag today!
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Lily42 Comments: 5912, member since Mon Jul 26, 2004
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 02:42 PM
malbarre wrote:

Why? Unfortunately, it is certainly more :? ... It is actually a pandemia.Even in the XVIth area you find this kind of scumbag today!

C'est pas parce que tu croises une Saoudienne en niqab dans le XVIe qu'il y a 100,000 Française qui portent des burkhas.
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By sgian Comments: 2079, member since Wed Jul 09, 2008
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 02:46 PM
Next France will mandate that all frogs where pink swastikas for historical nostalgia.
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By G3S3B Comments: 27730, member since Sun Oct 31, 2004
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 02:52 PM
sgian wrote:

Next France will mandate that all frogs where pink swastikas for historical nostalgia.

Surprise buttsex... it's what france will mandate next.

Image hotlink - 'http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Surprise_Buttsecks.jpg'
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Francestinks Comments: 2322, member since Sun Mar 05, 2006
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 03:01 PM



Look at those muslim whores in the streets of Paris...do you think they belong there? And many french girls converted to piSSlam...Well done Sarkozy, French next time kick all your arabs out, and also the french women who sleep with them!
Well done France for that one!
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. en>fr fr>en
By Antiricain Comments: 2051, member since Tue Apr 08, 2008
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 03:09 PM
Francestinks wrote:

Look at those muslim whores in the streets of Paris...do you think they belong there? And many french girls


they were protesting again the ban of the hidjabs in the schools. You can be sure that they live in uk or netherlands , the most islamised countries in europe, currently, nowadays :D
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By CafeduMerde Comments: 8505, member since Fri Dec 03, 2004
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 03:10 PM
Lily doesnt want reality to affect her multi-culti Fantasy Malbarre. DONT CALL THOSE GOAT FUCKERS Scum, you will make Lily Wet herself in guilt
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. en>fr fr>en
By Francestinks Comments: 2322, member since Sun Mar 05, 2006
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 03:16 PM



Another muslim whore...On that one too antiricain will say it is not in the streets of Paris, but in the UK or Holland...
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By jukinj3 Comments: 12439, member since Tue Apr 08, 2003
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 03:25 PM
For the first time in my life....

It is truly a sad day when a french has more courage to stand up to islam than our president. It is the bizarro world.
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. en>fr fr>en
By malbarre Comments: 17899, member since Wed Aug 24, 2005
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 03:32 PM
Edited by malbarre (77758) on 2009-06-23 15:53:44
jukinj3 wrote:

For the first time in my life....

It is truly a sad day when a french has more courage to stand up to islam than our president. It is the bizarro world.


Image hotlink - 'http://feedingthepuppy.typepad.com/.a/6a00e550f4976688340112790473ba28a4-800wi'

It's time to take the red pill and to say good bye to Lalaland.

Oh, by the way, in the real world, the real name of the Bouing 7Efficiency7, is nightmareliner. :D
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. en>fr fr>en
By Francestinks Comments: 2322, member since Sun Mar 05, 2006
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 03:34 PM



Is it in Gaza streets? No, in Paris! Sarkozy good you woke up!
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. en>fr fr>en
By feathersmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 3207, member since Sun Jul 22, 2007
On Tue Jun 23, 2009 03:46 PM
Bravo pour le dwarf!
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By FrogKillr Comments: 5835, member since Mon May 05, 2003
On Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:34 PM
It is truly a sad day when a french has more courage to stand up to islam than our president.

You can take some consolation in the fact that Sarkozy is really a Hungarian.
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By Lord_Buckhouse Comments: 918, member since Wed May 27, 2009
On Wed Jun 24, 2009 02:10 PM
Sounds like Sarkozy is trying to force assimilation on these 7th century morons. Starting with clothes. Will it work. Probably not. It may make them even more resentful. If so, send the god damn trash back to Morocco or whatever North African shit hole they crawled out of. And if they don't want to go peacefully .....all the better.
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By CaptainSensiblemember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 6889, member since Tue Mar 04, 2003
On Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:05 AM
It is truly a sad day when a french has more courage to stand up to islam than our president. It is the bizarro world.


You want even more bizarro?

Image hotlink - 'http://www.comite-valmy.org/IMG/jpg/Andre_Gerin.jpg'

Here's the guy behind the whole burqa ban thing. He's a commie! :D
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By DelendaEstGallia Comments: 2382, member since Mon Mar 17, 2003
On Fri Jun 26, 2009 01:53 PM
FrogKillr wrote:

You can take some consolation in the fact that Sarkozy is really a Hungarian.

How do people not realize this? He was born with the name Miklós Sarközy de Nagy-Bocsa! Does that sound like a Froggie to you?

Maybe it's time to review the list of heroes of France again...

King Chlodovech, Karl Martell and Karl der Große (the Frogs call them Clovis, Charles Martel and Charlemagne) were Germans.

Napoleone di Buonaparte was Italian.

Ferdinand Foch was half Basque and half Alsatian German.

Marie Skłodowska Curie was Polish.

Alain Prost is half-Armenian, and Zinedine Zidane is half-Algerian. In the case of Prost and Zidane, their occasional acts of poor sportsmanship can be attributed to their unfortunate partial French ancestry.

Someday, when Miklós Sarközy is remembered for having brought some life back to a degenerate country, perhaps it will be remembered that he is not really French.
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. en>fr fr>en
By malbarre Comments: 17899, member since Wed Aug 24, 2005
On Fri Jun 26, 2009 02:04 PM
DelendaEstGallia wrote:

[q=FrogKillr]You can take some consolation in the fact that Sarkozy is really a Hungarian.

How do people not realize this? He was born with the name Miklós Sarközy de Nagy-Bocsa! Does that sound like a Froggie to you?

Maybe it's time to review the list of heroes of France again...

King Chlodovech, Karl Martell and Karl der Große (the Frogs call them Clovis, Charles Martel and Charlemagne) were Germans.

Napoleone di Buonaparte was Italian.

Ferdinand Foch was half Basque and half Alsatian German.

Marie Skłodowska Curie was Polish.

Alain Prost is half-Armenian, and Zinedine Zidane is half-Algerian. In the case of Prost and Zidane, their occasional acts of poor sportsmanship can be attributed to their unfortunate partial French ancestry.

Someday, when Miklós Sarközy is remembered for having brought some life back to a degenerate country, perhaps it will be remembered that he is not really French.[/q]

I guess you're a true American Native.
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. en>fr fr>en
By DelendaEstGallia Comments: 2382, member since Mon Mar 17, 2003
On Fri Jun 26, 2009 02:10 PM
malbarre wrote:

I guess you're a true American Native.

My patrilineal line in the New World dates back to 1589. I think 420 years qualifies me. Even if not, at least I can thank God I am not descended from Froggies!
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. en>fr fr>en
By malbarre Comments: 17899, member since Wed Aug 24, 2005
On Fri Jun 26, 2009 02:35 PM
DelendaEstGallia wrote:

[q=malbarre]I guess you're a true American Native.

My patrilineal line in the New World dates back to 1589. I think 420 years qualifies me. Even if not, at least I can thank God I am not descended from Froggies![/q]

We don't give a fuck of your patrilineal line. Except if consanguinity and addition on 4 centuries of familial defects explains your Bio:

DelendaEstGallia's Bio
I do not like the French i said,
I do not like them on my thread,
i hate them and their stinky ways.
i hate them almost all weekdays.
and on weekends i hate them most,
for thats when they begin to post!
they mewl and whine and make me spew.
i hate the french! you hate them too?

Ceterum censeo Unionem Europaeam esse delendam


What's your problem, retard? They didn't want you in the Army? You dreamed all your childhood to be a dog-handler and they realized after the test you were dumber than a corridor dog?

What's your mental age, you pitiful pile of shit? 5? 4?

Fuck off and go play with teddy bear.
re: Sarkozy vs Obama on The Burqa. (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By With_Attitude Comments: 7140, member since Fri Jul 08, 2005
On Fri Jun 26, 2009 02:56 PM
Putain, mais arrète ton délire, malbarré!

Tu es en train de faire pleurer un petit Américain!
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