A couple of Swedish parents have stirred up debate in the country by refusing to reveal whether their two-and-a-half-year-old child is a boy or a girl.

Pop’s parents, both 24, made a decision when their baby was born to keep Pop’s sex a secret. Aside from a select few – those who have changed the child’s diaper – nobody knows Pop’s gender; if anyone enquires, Pop’s parents simply say they don’t disclose this information.

In an interview with newspaper Svenska Dagbladet in March, the parents were quoted saying their decision was rooted in the feminist philosophy that gender is a social construction.

“We want Pop to grow up more freely and avoid being forced into a specific gender mould from the outset,” Pop’s mother said. “It's cruel to bring a child into the world with a blue or pink stamp on their forehead.”

The child's parents said so long as they keep Pop’s gender a secret, he or she will be able to avoid preconceived notions of how people should be treated if male or female.

Pop's wardrobe includes everything from dresses to trousers and Pop's hairstyle changes on a regular basis. And Pop usually decides how Pop is going to dress on a given morning.

Although Pop knows that there are physical differences between a boy and a girl, Pop's parents never use personal pronouns when referring to the child – they just say Pop.

"I believe that the self-confidence and personality that Pop has shaped will remain for a lifetime," said Pop's mother.

But while Pop’s parents say they have received supportive feedback from many of their peers, not everyone agrees that their chosen course of action will have a positive outcome.

“Ignoring children's natures simply doesn’t work,” says Susan Pinker, a psychologist and newspaper columnist from Toronto, Canada, who wrote the book The Sexual Paradox, which focuses on sex differences in the workplace.

“Child-rearing should not be about providing an opportunity to prove an ideological point, but about responding to each child’s needs as an individual,” Pinker tells The Local.

“It’s unlikely that they’ll be able to keep this a secret for long. Children are curious about their own identity, and are likely to gravitate towards others of the same sex during free play time in early childhood.”

Pinker says there are many ways that males and females differ from birth; even if gender is kept ‘secret,’ prenatal hormones developed in the second trimester of pregnancy already alter the way the child behaves and feels.

She says once children can speak, males tell aggressive stories 87 per cent of the time, while females only 17 per cent. In a study, children aged two to four were given a task to work together for a reward, and boys used physical tactics 50 times more than girls, she says.

But Swedish gender equality consultant Kristina Henkel says Pop’s parents' experiment might have positive results.

“If the parents are doing this because they want to create a discussion with other adults about why gender is important, then I think they can make a point of it,” Henkel says in a telephone interview with The Local.

“You can talk about there being a non-stereotypical gender; if you are a girl you can do the same as a boy, and if you’re a boy you can do the same as a girl.”

Henkel also says a child's sex can deeply affect how they are treated growing up, and distract them from simply being a human being.

“If the child is dressed up as a girl or boy, it affects them because people see and treat them in a more gender-typical way,” Henkel explains.

“Girls are told they are cute in their dresses, and boys are told they are cool with their car toys. But if you give them no gender they will be seen more as a human or not a stereotype as a boy or girl.”

She says that without these gender stereotypes, children can build character as individuals, not hindered by preconceived notions of what they should be as males or females.

“I think that can make these kids stronger,” Henkel says.

Anna Nordenström, a paediatric endocrinologist at Karolinska Institutet, says it’s hard to know what effects the parents' decision will have on Pop.

“It will affect the child, but it’s hard to say if it will hurt the child,” says Nordenström, who studies hormonal influences on gender development.

“I don’t know what they are trying to achieve. It’s going to make the child different, make them very special.”

She says if Pop is still ‘genderless’ by the time he or she starts school, Pop will certainly receive a lot of attention from classmates.

“We don’t know exactly what determines sexual identity, but it’s not only sexual upbringing,” says Nordenström. “Gender-typical behaviour, sexual preferences and sexual identity usually go together. There are hormonal and other influences that we don’t know that will determine the gender of the child.”

Both Nordenström and Pinker refer to a controversial case from 1967 when a circumcision left one of two twin brothers without a penis. Dr. John Money, who asserted that gender was learned rather than innate, convinced the parents to raise 'David' as 'Brenda' and the child had cosmetic genitalia reconstruction surgery.

She was raised as a female, with girls’ clothes, games and codes of behaviour. The parents never told Brenda the secret until she was a teenager and rebelled against femininity. She then started receiving testosterone injections and underwent another genetic reconstruction process to become David again. David Reimer denounced the experiment as a crushing failure before committing suicide at the age of 38.

“I don’t think that trying to keep a child’s sex a secret will fool anyone, nor do I think it’s wise or ethical,” says Pinker. “As with any family secret, when we try to keep an elemental truth from children, it usually blows up in the parent’s face, via psychosomatic illness or rebellious behaviour.”

But with a second child on the way, Pop's parents have no plans to change what they see as a winning formula. As for Pop, they say they will only reveal the child's sex when Pop thinks it's time.

Footnote: Pop is not the child's real name but is the name used in Svenska Dagbladet's interview with the child's parents from March 6th.

here you go then

"This is Fucked!"?

you OK now ??

their decision was rooted in the feminist philosophy that gender is a social construction.

...thereby ensuring the future income of some psychiatrist.

The child's parents said so long as they keep Pop’s gender a secret, he or she will be able to avoid preconceived notions of how people should be treated if male or female.

Instead people will regard your child as an 'it' and a freak.
Great parents! Poor Pop doesn't stand a chance. I bet Pop ends up killing itself or its parents before thirty.

Some of you huys are old enough to remember when "swedish porn" was all the rage because it showed graphic sex acts instead of plain nude women.

Sweden, always the vanguard of sexual depravity, all in the name of "progress"

Fucking degenerates. That's child abuse.

It's gonna get its ass kicked a lot.

frankthekulak wrote:

“We want Pop to grow up more freely and avoid being forced into a specific gender mould from the outset,” Pop’s mother said. “It's cruel to bring a child into the world with a blue or pink stamp on their forehead.”

This pretty much exemplifies everything I can't stand about so-called 'progressives'.

They take the most fundamental building blocks of our society and biological nature that have been set for thousands of years, and suddenly think they know better.

God forbid the parental units have any input or guidance in a child's development. No structure or mentoring--just chaos.

How fucked up is this kid going to be? If it's a boy, I can see a future serial killer evolving out of this.

Johnny_Ola wrote:

God forbid the parental units have any input or guidance in a child's development. No structure or mentoring--just chaos.

Chaos, just what children need!

What´s up tht name Pop? Jesuchristo, not only they are creating an insecure kid with tons of gender identity problems but also with that name, he/ she is gonna have a hell of a great time at school and through all his/ her life.

feathers wrote:



What´s up tht name Pop? Jesuchristo, not only they are creating an insecure kid with tons of gender identity problems but also with that name, he/ she is gonna have a hell of a great time at school and through all his/ her life.

Proof that anti burka liberal feminists aren't even able to read an article properly !

ArthurH wrote:

Proof that anti burka liberal feminists aren't even able to read an article properly !

Probably they choose "ArthurH" to name the little twat.

Degenerates like that are worse than Muzzis

The poor kid is gonna turn out french!

The ONLY argumentt I can see for doing this with a kid would be if it's a hermaphrodite. That they don't want to pick a gender then have it hit puberty and watch their "son" grow a set of tits.

But to impose this shit on a kid with no medical reason is child abuse.

It has to be a male. Right?

In an interview with newspaper Svenska Dagbladet in March, the parents were quoted saying their decision was rooted in the feminist philosophy that gender is a social construction.

The kikes tried proving that in their Kibbutz experiments. They purposely assigned girls to carry out traditionally "male" chores while boys did traditional "women's work". Once the kids aged out and left, the young women sought out traditionally female roles in society and the young men sought out traditionally male roles. Simply put, the genderless commie experiment failed.

Gender and it's associated roles is pre-programmed, more or less, into all life forms. Read "The Biology of Moral Systems" by Dr. Richard Alexander for a complete explanation.

lol. GayTM found a way to blame the JOOOOS.


As for the kid's parents. Shoot them.

A_Thinking_Man wrote:

Gender and it's associated roles is pre-programmed, more or less, into all life forms.

Except for the occasional freak like Saxon, Pipi and W&C.










Turkey in the EU - NOW!!

A couple of Swedish parents have stirred up debate in the country by refusing to reveal whether their two-and-a-half-year-old child is a boy or a girl.

Doesn't really matter. The Muslim hordes sitting outside these progressive parent's door rape them all. Boy, girl, or otherwise.

The outcome will be the same.

Twisted fucking asshats.

feathers wrote:


What´s up tht name Pop? Jesuchristo, not only they are creating an insecure kid with tons of gender identity problems but also with that name, he/ she is gonna have a hell of a great time at school and through all his/ her life.

article wrote:

Footnote: Pop is not the child's real name but is the name used in Svenska Dagbladet's interview with the child's parents from March 6th.

I'm sure it's real name is just as bad though :/

Holy shit stain on allah's panties, this kid is fucked.

ATM found a way to blame the JOOOOS.

If you think what I wrote places any "blame" on anyone, then you're a fucking moron that lacks reading comprehension and there's no doubt that couldn't understand Dr. Alexander's book or the importance of the Kibbutz experiment failure in validating his theories of sociobiology.

You may now return to sucking tozer's ass.

Pop's parents are unfit to raise the child, not just because of this, but for fuck's sake, they named their kid POP!

Here's the situation: we do socialize gender to ludicrous extremes, but gender seems to be an innate thing and no amount of socialization can change that. Trust me, I know. This child WILL identify as one gender or another and do so very quickly. This happens in hermaphrodites and other intersex afflicted people. Almost certainly Pop will ID with the equipment (I wouldn't wish the other way on I'm-a-dinner-jacket), but if not, the parents are doing the child no favors by REPRESSING Pop's gender expression.

Being trans is to drink from the well of misery, but I've found out that the most miserable of us aren't the 45 and over crowd who have to deal with losing literally everything and can never, EVER hope to pass in a million years. No, the most miserable transwomen I've ever met are 20 somethings who believe gender is a social construction, and they've decided to be a gender revolutionary. Truth is they lack any sense of internal legitimacy and believing they are women by choice and not by essence they end up thin skinned, bitter and miserable. Very quickly I might add, it's really a shame.

I hope Pop turns out OK, but it would be IN SPITE of the fuckwits who sired him/her.

Death to the Umma!

Of course, Sweden is socialist country where you are cared for cradle to grave, but that might not fly in 50 years or so after the collapse of the west.

That being said, funny if 'Pop' decides that caring for elderly, sickly, or impoverished parents is just a 'social construction' also. What a way to say thank you mom and dad.

Also, I knew this reminded me of another outrage:

A lesbian US couple, both of whom are deaf, deliberately chose to try to have a deaf child.

They were successful, and now have two deaf children.

BBC News Online looks at the issues this 'designer baby' case has raised.

The decision of Sharon Duchesneau and Candy McCullough from Bethesda, Maryland, to do all they could to have a deaf baby has shocked many.

But they are part of a growing movement in the US which believes deafness is not a disability, but a cultural identity.

They wanted to have a homosexual child too. They chose DNA to emphasise that too, but the really incriminating articles seemed to be gone from google. But these two loons were mental health counsellors, and that made it okay of course. I wonder if the same 'Mengele' logic works for kids when they become old enough to know what their lesbian exploiters and psychobabble enablers did? The loons saw themselves as a creating a new movement (yes, a 'movement' of previously unimagined self-centredness and perversion). Does the same logic work for the kids when they take a claw hammer and pound the skulls of bitch one and bitch two to jelly, to create another 'movement'? This time the movement is that child abuse, exploitation and endangerment is bad.

Actually, there may in fact be a case for this. One of the victims of priests molesting children scandal actually attacked his abuser and (I think) got away with it. So cheer up children of Duchesneau and McCullough! (twisted lesbian couple). There is legal precedent to support you taking these wretches out in a manner they deserve, i.e. slow torture. By they way kids, you will piece this together as you get older, but if they thought they the law would support you getting even with them, they would have gotten a cat, like socially responsible lesbians.