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Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 13)  en>fr fr>en
By Bombs_Away_LeMaymember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 11886, member since Mon Jan 06, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 05:45 PM
Airbus is expected to face calls to ground its worldwide fleet of long-range airliners tomorrow when French accident investigators issue their first account of what caused Air France Flight 447 to crash off Brazil on June 1...Too late for the hundreds and hundreds of people who perished in Airbus crashes these past few weeks - murdered by EADS and Airbus officials. ANYONE who climbs into an Airbust has a deathwish...

Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners

The Times
Charles Bremner in Paris
July 1, 2009

Airbus is expected to face calls to ground its worldwide fleet of long-range airliners tomorrow when French accident investigators issue their first account of what caused Air France Flight 447 to crash off Brazil on June 1.

It is believed that the accident bureau will report that faulty speed data and electronics were the main problem in the disaster that killed 228 people.

The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) is likely to be asked why it had never taken action to remedy trouble that was well known with the Airbus 330 and 340 series. Nearly 1,000 of the aircraft are flying and until AF447, no passenger had been killed in one.

“EASA has a legal and moral obligation to get to the bottom of this problem now. If there is a defective system and the aircraft is unsafe then it should be grounded,” said James Healy-Pratt of Stewarts Law in London. The firm, which specialises in aviation, is representing the families of 20 of the victims of flight 447.

Only 11 bodies of the 50 recovered from the Atlantic have been identified. They include Captain Marc Dubois, 58, who is believed to have been resting when his two co-pilots lost control of the aircraft in a storm. The search for bodies has been called off but ships continue to hunt for the black boxes although their locator beacons are assumed to have expired.

Suspicion over the air data systems on the Airbus 330 and 340 series has increased after the disclosure that the aircraft had experienced 36 episodes similar to the one that brought Flight 447 down as it flew from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

Airbus first reported problems with the speed sensors — known as pitot tubes — in 1994, it emerged this week. The company advised remedies, but no mandatory action was taken.

Last weekend, the US National Transportation Safety Board, began looking into two incidents in which Airbus A330s flying from the US suffered critical episodes apparently similar to that of AF447.

This raises the prospect of a possible US order on modifications to the Airbus.

The first US incident occurred on May 21 when a TAM Airlines flight from Miami to Sao Paulo, Brazil, lost primary speed and altitude information while in cruise flight. The other was on a Northwest Airlines flight, on June 23, from Hong Kong to Tokyo.

Accounts on the internet from the pilots report a desperate struggle to keep the jet in the air.

The fate of Flight 447 would probably have remained an eternal mystery had the aircraft not automatically transmitted data back to the Air France maintenance base.

In the final four minutes, they told a story that was familiar to the airline. Ice particles or water had blocked the three pitot tubes. This upset the air data computers which in turn caused the automatic pilot to disconnect. The pilots would have had to fly manually in near-impossible conditions.

72 Replies to Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners

re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By WilyB Comments: 22191, member since Sat Apr 26, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 05:49 PM



Awe-fucking-some Yugo cunt!
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners en>fr fr>en
By NOZZLE Comments: 7830, member since Mon Mar 07, 2005
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 05:50 PM
This happens, watch the Euro stock markets collapse.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By starspangled Comments: 26097, member since Sat Dec 27, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 05:56 PM
Will these crooks apologize to the families of the innocent islamic passengers whom they accused of terrorism?
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Lily42 Comments: 5878, member since Mon Jul 26, 2004
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 06:15 PM
Charles Bremner in Paris

Oh look, it's Charles talking out of his ass again ...
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 5)  en>fr fr>en
By starspangled Comments: 26097, member since Sat Dec 27, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 06:18 PM
Oh look, it's lily taking it in the ass again ...
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 5)  en>fr fr>en
By PopsFrost Comments: 4312, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 06:18 PM
Airbus first reported problems with the speed sensors — known as pitot tubes — in 1994,

For 15 years Airbus has knowingly and actively conspired to cover-up dangerous problems. How typically french to risk so many lives for just a little money. Shouldn't the EU rest control of Airbus from the criminally incompetent french? Shouldn't Obama protect the US flying public from these known death traps? The lack of comment by the french posters indicates that they are willing to let people die and then actively participate in the cover-up to satiate their deep seated need for esteem via their claim of competeing with America in the airplane business.

SALE RACE!!
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By BurnParis Comments: 24270, member since Thu Mar 13, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 06:20 PM
They shouldnt ground all the them,.. just the ones too and from the USA,.. let them kill as many third world assholes as they like
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By PopsFrost Comments: 4312, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 06:30 PM
Didn't another Airbus crash in the Indian Ocean today? Wow, they're really racking up a death count for June. I wonder if we can have a class action suit and name Sarkozy and france as defendants.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By WilyB Comments: 22191, member since Sat Apr 26, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 06:31 PM
Bremner is a scot who lives in France, with a French wife, and whose kids go to school in France. He writes infotainment for a Murdoch's tabloid.

Does that sound a bell?

Anyone? Anyone?...
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 5)  en>fr fr>en
By Bombs_Away_LeMaymember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 11886, member since Mon Jan 06, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 06:48 PM
Edited by Bombs_Away_LeMay (53615) on 2009-06-30 19:02:43
WilyB wrote:

Bremner is a scot who lives in France, with a French wife, and whose kids go to school in France. He writes infotainment for a Murdoch's tabloid.

Does that sound a bell?



You can always tell when facts the fat 'n greasy Algerian slimeball Vichyb doesn't happen to like come to light - he/she/it resorts to pathetic attempts at character assasination, after lying has failed...
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By ibigmangmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 12950, member since Thu Oct 06, 2005
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 06:55 PM
You can always tell when facts the greasy Algerian slimeball Vichyb doesn't happen like come to light - he/she/it resorts to pathetic attempts at character assasination, after lying has failed...

He seems frustrated.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By Bombs_Away_LeMaymember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 11886, member since Mon Jan 06, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 07:15 PM
This is how they do aerospace in euroland...

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A Skeptic Under Pressure

Los Angeles Times
By Peter Pae, Times Staff Writer
September 27, 2005

VIENNA — Ever since the Mangans gave up their comfortable house in Kansas City, Kan., and moved here a year ago, the family has been living in a kind of suspended animation.

It almost looks as if they just moved into their two-bedroom apartment near Austria's old Imperial Palace: Some boxes shipped from the U.S. have never been opened and the bedroom windows are still covered with sheets because the family ran short of money before they could buy curtains.

The three young Mangan children have stopped asking about their plight, although 9-year-old Timothy gets angry every once in a while. "I wish I can yell at them," he blurted out recently about his father's former employer.

Joseph Mangan, 41, is a whistle-blower. As a result he and his family find themselves in a foreign country with unfamiliar laws, fighting a legal battle that has left them almost penniless.

A year ago, Mangan told European aviation authorities that he believed there were problems with a computer chip on the Airbus A380, the biggest and costliest commercial airliner ever built. The A380 is a double-decked engineering marvel that will carry as many as 800 passengers -- double the capacity of Boeing Co.'s 747. It is expected to enter airline service next year.

Mangan alleges that flaws in a microprocessor could cause the valves that maintain cabin pressure on the A380 to accidentally open during flight, allowing air to leak out so rapidly that everyone aboard could lose consciousness within seconds.

It's a lethal scenario similar to the 1999 crash that killed professional golfer Payne Stewart and five others when their Learjet lost cabin pressure and they blacked out. The plane flew on autopilot for hours before crashing in South Dakota.

Mangan was chief engineer for TTTech Computertechnik, a Viennese company that supplies the computer chips and software to control the cabin-pressurization system for the A380, which is being assembled at the Airbus plant in France.

In October, TTTech fired Mangan and filed civil and criminal charges against him for revealing company documents. The company said the information was proprietary and he had no right to disclose it to anyone.

Mangan countersued, saying he had been wrongly terminated for raising legitimate safety concerns.

Unlike U.S. laws that shield whistle-blowers from corporate retaliation, Austrian laws offer no such protection. Last year an Austrian judge imposed an unusual gag order on Mangan, seeking to stop him from talking about the case.

Mangan posted details about the case anyway in his own Internet blog. The Austrian court fined him $185,000 for violating the injunction.

Most passenger jets have two cabin-pressure valves, with separate motors operating each. Because aircraft makers want redundancy on safety systems, the planes have three motors for each valve, with different chips controlling each motor. The Boeing 777, for example, has cabin-pressure chips made by Motorola Inc., Intel Corp. and Advanced Micro Devices Inc. Most jetliners also have a manual override so that the pilot can take control in an emergency.

Airbus has acknowledged that its designers faced challenges as they attempted to reduce the A380's weight. Early on, the company elected to go with four outflow valves on the A380, with only one motor on each valve, which is slightly larger than a cabin window. Each motor uses a TTTech controller chip, and there is no manual override system.

"Just there, I would not be happy," said Chris Lomax, a retired engineer who helped design the cabin-pressurization systems for Boeing's 737 and 747. "If all four valves [on the A380] were driven wide open, it would be nip and tuck for the crew to get their [oxygen] mask on and begin a descent."

Airbus says that the A380 has achieved redundancy by installing the extra cabin-pressure valves, which provide a safety cushion in case a valve fails. As for Mangan's allegations, they are "an unsubstantiated crusade," Airbus spokesman Clay McConnell said.

"Don't you think we would look into it, and if we found it was true we would do something about it?" McConnell asked.

The A380, which is undergoing flight testing, is a year behind schedule because of unspecified problems. But Airbus has told aviation authorities that there is ample time to fix any problems that are discovered during the certification process.

TTTech executives insist that their product is safe. They portray Mangan as a disgruntled ex-employee seeking retribution and eager to blackmail them. "He's trying to destroy the company," Chief Executive Stefan Poledna said.

TTTech supplies parts to Hamilton Sundstrand, a United Technologies Corp. unit that is building the A380's cabin-pressurization system. "The matters raised by Mr. Mangan have been thoroughly reviewed," a Hamilton Sundstrand spokeswoman said, "and safety of flight will be assured."

The European Aviation Safety Agency, which is handling the A380's flight worthiness certification, has reviewed Mangan's allegations. "We have done the research and acted accordingly," spokesman Daniel Holtgen said. "We can't comment on it because it is a matter for Airbus."

Mangan believes that the European aerospace establishment is whitewashing his claims because of enormous cost savings that will be realized if TTTech's chips are approved for the A380.

TTTech's chip originally was designed for use in autos, and the company is trying to get it certified as an existing, "commercial off-the-shelf" product that is acceptable for the A380, according to court records.

Mangan, however, alleges that the chip is being customized for aviation purposes, and thus must undergo stringent testing before being approved by regulators.

If regulators decide that TTTech's chip is a simple commercial device and can be used in the A380, it would then be available for other new aircraft without having to pass costly safety reviews.

That's why the industry is so adamant about squashing his claims, Mangan alleges. Airbus, owned by Dutch and British companies, surpassed Boeing in 2003 as the world's largest maker of airliners.

Mangan's attorney, Franz Karl Juraczka, advised him last spring to leave Austria before his legal problems snowballed. Mangan refused: "I wouldn't be able to live with myself if anything went wrong with that airplane."

Despite his ordeal, Mangan remains enthused about aerospace design. He can talk for hours about arcane subjects such as fluid dynamics with the same sense of excitement as a kid with a new toy.

Mangan was born in Ohio and grew up in San Jose, and he always had a fascination for science and technology, family members and friends said. When Apple introduced its first personal computer, the 12-year-old Mangan took apart the family's television set to try to build a PC for himself. He also made a satellite receiver out of coffee cans to try to get weather data from an orbiting satellite.

At 16, while still in high school, he got a part-time job at IBM in San Jose helping to design robotic manufacturing machines. He attended San Jose State University and the University of Massachusetts, but never received a college degree.

Later, while working for Honeywell on a military jet project, he came into contact with TTTech, a company founded by two professors in Vienna to market their computer chips.

They say the chips contain 20 times more memory than the processors currently used in aviation, while having half the electrical wiring required for data communication systems that oversee aircraft controls. The chips also can be used on the steering and braking systems of autos. Moreover, they would cut the cost of aviation chips to about $20 apiece, versus $500 for previous designs.

Mangan was drawn by the firm's potential. His future seemed bright in February 2004 when he was hired as chief engineer at a salary of $100,000, plus $25,000 in moving expenses. Diana Mangan packed up their three children -- Shelley, now 12, Timothy and Jarrod, 6 -- and they arrived in Vienna in the summer of 2004.

With its subsidized medical care and after-school-care programs, Austria looked like a great place to raise a family. And the family was pleased to discover that Vienna had a Baptist church.

Mangan began work on the chip for the A380's cabin-pressurization system.

Until the 1940s, commercial airplanes were not pressurized and could fly only at about 10,000 feet. Flying above the clouds, around 30,000 feet, would make flights smoother, but at that altitude a lack of oxygen and temperatures of 140 degrees below freezing would kill passengers within minutes.

Then Boeing launched its Stratoliner, the first passenger plane with a sealed cabin. Internal pressure was maintained by regulating the intake and outflow of air during flight. This breakthrough helped lead to the age of modern air travel.

Today, most airline passengers -- besides experiencing mild popping in their ears -- rarely notice that air inside the cabin is in constant flux as air is taken in through the engines and let out through the valves in the belly of the plane.

However, if the valves are stuck open the cabin can depressurize in seconds before anyone can don emergency oxygen masks. In most cases pilots have time to bring the plane down to a safe altitude, but several recent incidents have raised concerns.

Authorities suspect that cabin-pressure problems caused the August crash in Greece of Helios Airways' Boeing 737 in which all 121 aboard died. And investigators believe that an abrupt loss of cabin pressure may have led to the in-flight breakup of a China Airlines 747 in 2002, killing all 225 aboard.

Mangan said he found serious flaws early last year in TTTech's computer chips and the software for the A380's cabin-pressurization system, according to legal documents. The system was executing "unpredictable" commands when it received certain data, possibly causing the pressure valves to open accidentally.

Because all four motors in the A380's cabin-pressurization system use the same type of flawed TTTech chip, Mangan says, "if one fails, they all fail."

Yet his employer ignored his concerns, he alleges, because fixing the glitches would be costly, could take up to a year and would further delay the A380's launch. TTTech tried to cover up the defects and forged Mangan's signature on documents to suggest that the software passed internal tests and reviews, he alleges in court documents.

"Once they slip this onboard the A380, they can justify using it on all other aircraft," Mangan said.

Indeed, Boeing Co. has ordered TTTech's chips for the flight control system for its upcoming mid-size 787 Dreamliner. Boeing executives said they were unaware of any problems with TTTech's chips, but said further questions should be addressed by TTTech.

TTTech executives denied any wrongdoing. They said there had been a minor glitch but that it had been fixed.

Within days of firing Mangan last fall, TTTech sued him in civil court to try to force him to retract his statements to aviation authorities about the potential defect.

In contrast to the U.S. legal system, in Austria individuals can file criminal charges. A few weeks later TTTech also sued Mangan in criminal court.

Then, in December, a civil court issued an injunction barring Mangan from talking about his case.

By May, the family was short of cash, so Mangan returned to the U.S. to borrow money to help pay his legal bills, and while there he also set up an Internet blog to publicize his safety concerns about the new Airbus.

The Mangans developed a circle of Austrian friends at their church who were eager to help. When Mangan decided his first lawyer wasn't aggressive enough, the church referred him to attorney Juraczka, who agreed to represent him for free.

These days the family's living room looks like a legal library, holding Mangan's voluminous whistle-blower records. He wryly notes that the clutter prevented police from finding all of his documents during their search.

Throughout the family's ordeal, Mangan remained dogmatic about not being chased out of Austria and about standing up for what he believed in. Diana said that she wondered at times whether it might be better to move on, but that the family was "very supportive that it will all work out."

The Mangans live day to day, not sure what will come next. If they can't pay their rent, they hope to return to the U.S. to live with Diana's parents in Ohio, although they have maxed out their credit card and can't afford plane tickets.

Mangan is getting ready to file for personal bankruptcy.

TTTech has offered to drop its legal action against Mangan, court records show, and pay him three months of severance, if he retracts his statements. But Mangan has refused.

Mangan said he was looking for a new job. He has contacted dozens of aerospace firms in the U.S. and Europe, but none have returned his calls. "Nobody wants to touch me," he said.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Lily42 Comments: 5878, member since Mon Jul 26, 2004
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 08:11 PM
Bombs_Away_LeMay wrote:

You can always tell when facts the fat 'n greasy Algerian slimeball Vichyb doesn't happen to like come to light - he/she/it resorts to pathetic attempts at character assasination, after lying has failed...

Editorials are not fact, they are the author's opinions, the author here being Charles Bremner, who writes Francophobic columns for the News Corp. on a variety of subjects as long as he's got no knowledge of them. A familiar name here unsurprisingly.

Nobody with any say in the matter will "ask" Airbus to ground all long-range airliners, and this thread will end up in the gutter of FF.com as usual. You, BALM, will of course learn nothing from this.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By PopsFrost Comments: 4312, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 09:20 PM
Lily42 wrote:

Nobody with any say in the matter will "ask" Airbus to ground all long-range airliners, and this thread will end up in the gutter of FF.com as usual. You, BALM, will of course learn nothing from this.


Yes because it doesn't matter how many die in these flying coffins every month, the greedy fogs will always put ego and profit over the lives of the flying public.

Now get to work covering up today's airbus disasters.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By WilyB Comments: 22191, member since Sat Apr 26, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:08 PM
Bombs_Away_LeMay wrote:

...the fat 'n greasy Algerian slimeball Vichyb ...


You're trying to specialize in pathetic attempts at character assasination, after lying has failed Yugo boy?

As in all you do, that's lame Yugo boy.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By FrogKillr Comments: 5787, member since Mon May 05, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:47 PM
Wow, they're really racking up a death count for June.

I was just thinking about that myself. How many people did Airbus murder in June anyway?
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Chirac_estun_ver Comments: 16071, member since Sun Mar 30, 2003
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:50 PM
Airbus is expected to face calls to ground its worldwide fleet of long-range airliners tomorrow when French accident investigators issue their first account of what caused Air France Flight 447 to crash off Brazil on June 1.
It would be a good idea if Airbus did this voluntarily. Make people think they are concerned with safety.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By iciparis Comments: 2644, member since Tue Jul 18, 2006
On Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:45 AM
Edited by iciparis (79713) on 2009-07-01 00:52:19 typo
EU Referendum has this to say about this shameful affair

An accident waiting to happen


The Times is reporting that Airbus is expected to face calls to ground its worldwide fleet of long-range airliners today when French accident investigators issue their first account of what caused Air France Flight 447 to crash off Brazil on 1 June.

It is believed that the accident bureau will report that faulty speed data and electronics were the main problem in the disaster that killed 228 people.

Last weekend, the US National Transportation Safety Board, began looking into two incidents in which Airbus A330s flying from the US suffered critical episodes apparently similar to that of AF447 but, crucially, the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) – which is the lead safety authority on this type - is now likely to be asked why it had never taken action to remedy trouble that was well known with the Airbus 330 and 340 series.

"EASA has a legal and moral obligation to get to the bottom of this problem now. If there is a defective system and the aircraft is unsafe then it should be grounded, " says James Healy-Pratt of Stewarts Law in London. The firm, which specialises in aviation, is representing the families of 20 of the victims of flight 447.

Airbus first reported problems with the pitot tubes in 1994, it emerged this week. The company advised remedies, but no mandatory action was taken.

One wonders, of course, whether things might have been different is an Airbus had not been involved, and whether EASA is too close to this European industry. There were, for instance, dark reports in 2005 about EASA suppressing safety concerns about the A-380.

The following year, the House of Commons Transport Committee produced a coruscating report, condemning the EASA, calling it an "accident waiting to happen", and advising the British government not to transfer more power to it.

In the 367-page report, committee chairwoman (the late) Gwyneth Dunwoody said that EASA, which became operational in 2003, had failed to coordinate safety regulation across Europe and threatened air safety in the UK. EASA's "lamentable problems of governance, management and resources," the report adds, "must not be allowed to compromise aviation safety in the UK in any way".

Now the accident has happened, who is now going to do an inquiry on EASA?

eureferendum.blogspot.com . . .


There are some very serious issues raised here and if they are true Airbus and everyone else involved should be dragged across the coals. Nothing less.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By TorF2 Comments: 71, member since Sun Feb 04, 2007
On Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:51 AM
boing could be asked to ground all its 787 ! :D
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners en>fr fr>en
By dasboot Comments: 4738, member since Sat Apr 14, 2007
On Wed Jul 01, 2009 01:33 AM
I don't know why anyone would want to step into one of those funeral pyres
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 4)  en>fr fr>en
By parigotmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 12290, member since Fri Jul 23, 2004
On Wed Jul 01, 2009 03:35 AM
Pitot tubes are mounted on every aircraft, even the Boeing superfortress.

Sometimes, things doesn't work. Just remember the Mc Donell's plane doors in the '70-'80.




You will all be glad that the Pitot tubes of the 787 have a better design until the wings will be separated from the fuselage at 40000ft !
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By jagerdr Comments: 3997, member since Sun Dec 05, 2004
On Wed Jul 01, 2009 05:35 AM
Seems to me that the facts are that these Pitot tubes have been a source of concern and have been causing anomalous results for years.

In 1994
Image hotlink - 'http://www.eurocockpit.com/images/oit94.jpg'


In 1996
Image hotlink - 'http://www.eurocockpit.com/images/tfu96.jpg'


Image hotlink - 'http://www.eurocockpit.com/images/oit02.jpg'


Image hotlink - 'http://www.eurocockpit.com/images/sil08.jpg'


Image hotlink - 'http://www.eurocockpit.com/images/sb140907.jpg'


Source: www.eurocockpit.com . . .


The full text of the 1994 document regarding the A330/A340 is available here: www.eurocockpit.com . . .

Read the 1994 document above, then compare it to the ACARS reports from AF447 on June 1, 2009. Now, what part of the above article is an accurate condensation of fact, and what part is editorial? Or, if it is too much work to explain why a digital flight control system that relies upon analog sensors continues to maintain some level of flight control when 'blinded' and has no alternate sensors or backup system - and this problem has lingered for ~15 years - then simply post an insult or a stupid picture.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Cazeilles Comments: 10144, member since Wed Apr 09, 2003
On Wed Jul 01, 2009 05:41 AM
Then we all agree Airbus did everything to resolve this pitot issue.
re: Airbus could be asked to ground all long-range airliners (karma: 5)  en>fr fr>en
By Lord_Buckhouse Comments: 726, member since Wed May 27, 2009
On Wed Jul 01, 2009 06:11 AM
Edited by Lord_Buckhouse (82163) on 2009-07-01 06:14:13
iciparis posted:

One wonders, of course, whether things might have been different is an Airbus had not been involved, and whether EASA is too close to this European industry. There were, for instance, dark reports in 2005 about EASA suppressing safety concerns about the A-380.

The following year, the House of Commons Transport Committee produced a coruscating report, condemning the EASA, calling it an "accident waiting to happen", and advising the British government not to transfer more power to it.

If true some heads need to roll. Sounds like EASA is in bed with Airbust. And the price is the lives of the passengers.
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