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en>fr fr>en By MadRusski Comments: 32074, member since Mon Aug 16, 2004On Wed Sep 16, 2009 09:38 AM
Edited by MadRusski (74866) on 2009-09-16 09:39:29
The recent highly-publicised suicides at France Telecom may or may not be statistically unusual.
But they have certainly caught attention and lifted the lid on the high levels of depression among French workers, says the BBC's Emma Jane Kirby in Paris.
A crisis meeting between French Labour Minister, Xavier Darcos, and France Telecom's chief executive, Didier Lombard illustrated that both sides have begun to regard the industrial suicide problem very seriously.
Mr Darcos said the government understood the "particular situation of a company like France Telecom".
"A company which is on the cutting edge of technology, that doesn't stop undergoing technological and economic changes, and that, as a result, is a jewel of the French technological world.
"But precisely because it is submitted to this evolution and change, it's essential that the company is very attentive to its workers, and that it understands that there is no technological progress without social progress."
On Monday, staff at a France Telecom customer service agency in the eastern city of Metz found a 53-year-old senior manager unconscious on the floor.
She had apparently taken an overdose of barbiturates after learning she was to be posted to another part of the country for the third time in a year, CFDT union official Pierre Dubois said.
On Friday a 32-year-old female worker at France Telecom threw herself out of a fourth floor window of her Paris office building.
Her death came just a couple of days after a 53-year-old man was found dead at home, allegedly leaving behind a letter blaming his job for his desperation.
The same week a technician stabbed himself in the stomach during a meeting at Troyes - he told journalists his action was designed to denounce working conditions at France Telecom.
Unions blame the 23 employee suicides partly on restructuring and working conditions at France Telecom.
Privatised
The company, previously a division of the Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications, was largely privatised in 1998 and management say the changes - moving people from civil servant status to private employees - have come in at a fast pace.
The management admits the restructuring programme could have a possible connection with recent events.
In 2000 there were 28 suicides at the company, 29 in 2002 .
France Telecom insists however that 23 suicides over the past 18 months is still within the normal range for a company of its size - it has 100,000 personnel.
The French suicide rate was 15 per 100,000 in 2004 - the last year that data was released.
But France Telecom is clearly worried.
Last week the company announced several measures in response to the suicides, including suspending around 500 employee transfers that are part of an ongoing re organisation plan.
Employees have been asked to look out for signs of depression among colleagues.
Stress soaring
It is a standing joke for many British and Americans that life for French workers is pretty much a picnic - the 35-hour week, the alleged two-hour lunch break and those long, long holidays.
France Telecom has set up meetings with staff to discuss the suicides
But according to the World Health Organization, France has one of the highest industrial-related suicide rates in the world - only the US and the Ukraine have more cases of work-related depression.
It is also known that the rate of work-related suicides is on the increase here - one of France's biggest Unions, the CGT, claims that there are 300-400 suicides a year directly attributable to working conditions - that is around one worker a day.
Two years ago, the polling group TNS Sofres, carried out a survey on problems at work.
Three quarters of those surveyed said the word "stress" best summed up their work life and practices.
Restructuring plans
France Telecom is not the only commercial enterprise to be troubled by employee suicides.
In February 2007, a French prosecutor opened an inquiry into working conditions at Renault after the third suicide in four months at one of the carmaker's state-of-the-art plants at Guyancourt, Yvelines.
One of the deaths involved a 38-year-old father who died at his home, leaving a letter blaming work difficulties for his death.
Unions blamed the deaths on restructuring plans at the plant, claiming the employees were under too much pressure from managers.
The results of the inquiry, which estimated that employees were working under a level of strain which was four times higher than the national average, has led to certain changes at the company - meetings no longer start after 1800, breaks at work are observed, and there are more meetings between employees to improve communication.
A further six suicides at fellow carmaker Peugeot the same year prompted the government to hold a special autumn conference with employers, workers and trade unions to try to tackle the subject of labour conditions.
Peugeot itself responded to the suicides by introducing an emergency hotline and a counselling service for employees suffering from stress.
Xavier Darcos urged France Telecom not to lose sight of the individual in the huge company and suggested it modelled itself on companies like Renault which had made big changes in the wake of its spate of employee suicides.
France Telecom immediately announced it was setting up a hotline with external advisors and counsellors which anyone suffering from work-related problems could dial for free.
The company has also set up meetings with 500 of its most senior staff to discuss the suicides.
On Monday President Sarkozy announced he planned to make happiness and wellbeing key indicators of the country's economic progress.
But with the recession still biting here, and more lay-offs likely, France Telecom may drag that graph into a downwards curve. 31 Replies to Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers en>fr fr>en By lazerbeak Comments: 970, member since Sun Dec 04, 2005On Wed Sep 16, 2009 09:45 AM
Anyone here from Pee Pee lately? | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers (karma: 4)
en>fr fr>en By parigot  Comments: 12589, member since Fri Jul 23, 2004On Wed Sep 16, 2009 09:48 AM
Edited by parigot (74757) on 2009-09-16 09:49:19
In the same time, young peoples are partying in Russia and express their love of life.
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re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By MadRusski Comments: 32074, member since Mon Aug 16, 2004On Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:17 AM
These people would be considered young in Fwance? Wow, Fwance is indeed a depressed shithole. And that's without 70 years of communism!
Sinkie, keep believing that offing yourself is better than getting drunk. | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Francestinks Comments: 2867, member since Sun Mar 05, 2006On Thu Sep 17, 2009 02:24 AM
Soon there will be no fwench left  | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Reed Comments: 10803, member since Sat May 24, 2003On Thu Sep 17, 2009 03:06 AM
They're just upset that Saddam is dead. | Have a glass of cheap wine, the Frogs will feel better. en>fr fr>en By dukeofearl Comments: 2594, member since Fri Oct 08, 2004On Fri Sep 18, 2009 06:42 AM
And yet the libtards keep insisting that America be more like Fwance.
yeah right | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers (karma: 5)
en>fr fr>en By Armonteutmaronne Comments: 2380, member since Sun May 20, 2007On Fri Sep 18, 2009 02:20 PM
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en>fr fr>en By ibigmang  Comments: 13456, member since Thu Oct 06, 2005On Fri Sep 18, 2009 02:37 PM
They should log on to ff. We could council them.
Do the right thing, stinky. It only hurts for a minute.
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en>fr fr>en By simplefrench Comments: 58807, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003On Fri Sep 18, 2009 05:32 PM
Edited by simplefrench (60194) on 2009-09-18 17:35:15
"Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers"
Your country of origin(Russia) has almost the highest level of suicide in the world. if you want the page ask.
Here,it is a company. Russia, the biggest failure.Against democracy,completely corrupted, shithole, Economy in the WC. Allies with all the despotic islamic countries. | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers (karma: 5)
en>fr fr>en By Hadrian Comments: 8309, member since Fri Jun 03, 2005On Fri Sep 18, 2009 05:36 PM
simplefrench wrote:
Here,it is a company. Russia, the bigest failure.Against democracy,completely corrupted, shithole, Economy in the WC. Allies with all the despote islamic countries.
| re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers en>fr fr>en By MadRusski Comments: 32074, member since Mon Aug 16, 2004On Fri Sep 18, 2009 05:41 PM
Faggot, time for you to go get your enema
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en>fr fr>en By EuropeIsOurs Comments: 116, member since Wed Jul 15, 2009On Sat Sep 19, 2009 05:34 AM
| re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers en>fr fr>en By whizz2  Comments: 17828, member since Wed Apr 23, 2003On Sat Sep 19, 2009 06:39 AM
ibigmang wrote:
They should log on to ff. We could council them.
Ce serait le concile détente. | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Crusader Comments: 5900, member since Fri Jul 08, 2005On Sat Sep 19, 2009 06:52 AM
Edited by Crusader (77369) on 2009-09-19 06:58:10
Poor depressed stinkies need a Happy Meal.
Only Ronald McDonald can save them now.
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en>fr fr>en By malbarre Comments: 18519, member since Wed Aug 24, 2005On Sat Sep 19, 2009 06:56 AM
Just a question. What is the rate of suicide in Russia? Just a question. | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Mafioso Comments: 2119, member since Mon Oct 17, 2005On Sat Sep 19, 2009 07:16 AM
simplefrench wrote:
"Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers"
Your country of origin(Russia) has almost the highest level of suicide in the world. if you want the page ask.
Here,it is a company. Russia, the biggest failure.Against democracy,completely corrupted, shithole, Economy in the WC. Allies with all the despotic islamic countries.
Et alors? Quel rapport avec Madchimp? Il n'est plus russe ou ukrainien ou autre, il est américain. Il a subi avec succès le lavage de cerveau de rigueur quant on choisi cette nouvelle nationalité. Les russes et les ukrainiens ce sont les ennemis maintenant. | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers en>fr fr>en By MadRusski Comments: 32074, member since Mon Aug 16, 2004On Sat Sep 19, 2009 08:58 AM
Just a question. What is the rate of suicide in Russia? Just a question.
Dunno, look it up. you want to compare France which sucked all juices from Germany TWICE, after 2 wars and Russia, that got devastated TWICE in those 2 wars and endured 70 years of communism?
I am afraid you will contemplate offing yourself if the rates are comparable. And I would not like it, Mal, cuz you are one of those few spoons of honey in the bucket of shit French are | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By Hadrian Comments: 8309, member since Fri Jun 03, 2005On Sat Sep 19, 2009 09:03 AM
malbarre wrote:
Just a question. What is the rate of suicide in Russia? Just a question.
Not high enough.
The suicide rate in Russia has almost doubled since 1990, with nearly 57,500 Russians taking their own lives every year, according to figures released by the World Health Organisation.
The WHO's report, by Professor Dmitry Veltischev, of the Moscow Research Institute of Psychiatry, showed the suicide rate among Russians to be 39.7 cases per 100,000 people in 2001, the equivalent of 57,500 cases among Russia's 146 million-strong population. This is about twice the world average.
www.guardian.co.uk . . . | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers en>fr fr>en By MadRusski Comments: 32074, member since Mon Aug 16, 2004On Sat Sep 19, 2009 09:09 AM
Highest in Latin America
-Armada estimates Cuba's current suicide rate at more than 20 per 100,000 -- about 2,500 deaths a year among 11 million people.
www.fiu.edu . . .
And that's on a sunny island! Place fucking good for nothing Spics in Siberia and there will be no more Spics | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers en>fr fr>en By Hadrian Comments: 8309, member since Fri Jun 03, 2005On Sat Sep 19, 2009 09:14 AM
Yes, the Russian system leads people to off themselves.
You people have been a curse on the world since day one.
How's arming Iran going? You proud of your cuntry, mudak?
Go poison yourself with your vile horilka. | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By simplefrench Comments: 58807, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003On Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:18 PM
You think France has not been devastated in ww1 and ww2 ?( especially ww1). | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers en>fr fr>en By EuropeIsOurs Comments: 116, member since Wed Jul 15, 2009On Sat Sep 19, 2009 03:56 PM
MadRusski wrote:
Just a question. What is the rate of suicide in Russia? Just a question.
Dunno, look it up. you want to compare France which sucked all juices from Germany TWICE, after 2 wars and Russia, that got devastated TWICE in those 2 wars and endured 70 years of communism?
I am afraid you will contemplate offing yourself if the rates are comparable. And I would not like it, Mal, cuz you are one of those few spoons of honey in the bucket of shit French are
Which wars are you talking? WW1 and WW2?
We sucked juices from Germany in WW1? You son of a bitch! 1 800 000 dead , all the North-East of France was devastated you rats, we fought from 1914 to the end, so, of what are you talking about?
You can laugh about France because of WW2 if you want, but not because of WW1! | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers en>fr fr>en By malbarre Comments: 18519, member since Wed Aug 24, 2005On Sat Sep 19, 2009 05:03 PM
MadRusski wrote:
Just a question. What is the rate of suicide in Russia? Just a question.
Dunno, look it up. you want to compare France which sucked all juices from Germany TWICE, after 2 wars and Russia, that got devastated TWICE in those 2 wars and endured 70 years of communism?
I am afraid you will contemplate offing yourself if the rates are comparable. And I would not like it, Mal, cuz you are one of those few spoons of honey in the bucket of shit French are
I think the problem in Russia is more alcohol than any other reason. And you know it  | re: Suicides lift lid on French misery. Depressed stinkies are offing themselves in record numbers en>fr fr>en By Mafioso Comments: 2119, member since Mon Oct 17, 2005On Sat Sep 19, 2009 06:24 PM
malbarre wrote:
I think the problem in Russia is more alcohol than any other reason. And you know it 
Mais il est américain maintenant. Bien sûr certaines habitudes sont difficiles à perdre. |
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