Since they were frogspawn, young tadpoles are taught 'ze only reason we lost in 1940 was ze English(sic) ran/swam away at Dunkerque.

This thread will proove that there were so many things rotten in the state of France at the time , in the same way that a wise man does not build his house on the sand , we Brits could not win with such pathetic allies, and a tactical withdrawl to the homeland was the only sane course of action

The incidents are from To loose a battle by Capt Alistair Horne, ex WW2 Guards officer , journalist fluent in both froggish and kraut

There are hundreds of reasons so to avoid indigestion i'll do a few at a time.

one of my faves to start

1 When Italia joined the axis, the RAF sent a squadron of Wellington Bombers to Marseilles, the bomb the shit out of the wops. The frogs scared that the wops might retaliate parked lorries on the runway so that the planes could not take off

2 a complacency was bred in france what was good in 1916 is good now to challenge this thought did not guarantee popularity
Gen(Suez) Beaufre himself wrote that french thought became ossified into continuous front warfare, and no studies were made of mobile fronts of WW1 eg Allenby in Palestine

3 Maginot sieve lacked depth and led to budget cuts elsewhere, believe in it led to atrophy

4 pay France being a second world country paid capts 11 pounds equivalent a month, a major got 16, meanwhile in first world countries like UK , the figures were 38 and 53, a poilu got 50centimes a day, Tommy Atkins got 30 times that.

5 Generals and their staff had little contact with each other, each existing in their own watertight compartment

In my opinion,the French are efficient only if they have a good plan to counter attack or launch operations.

From what i read,French were quickly disorganized. And it is deadly(mortal).

HC,

Hey Nappie, no need to reinvent the wheel. You must have 100s... what he says ... 1000s threads on the subject on FF!

Here's a bargain. We'll discuss the Maginot Line, Vichy, Petain, and other subjects for each time an American flag has been burned in France. That will keep FF going for the next millenium. Start counting, we still owe you many thousands of insults.

Trever wrote:

HC,

Hey Nappie, no need to reinvent the wheel. You must have 100s... what he says ... 1000s threads on the subject on FF!

Here's a bargain. We'll discuss the Maginot Line, Vichy, Petain, and other subjects for each time an American flag has been burned in France. That will keep FF going for the next millenium. Start counting, we still owe you many thousands of insults.

Trever, it's funny to a point to repeat the old cliches and bashing jokes. But some of us want to base our discussions on FF on real facts.

Trever wrote:

We'll discuss the Maginot Line, Vichy, Petain, and other subjects

Keep repeating the same propaganda and lies about the only few words that the Politically Correct with anti-Western values powers that control your brain authorise you to discuss..

Trever wrote:

each time an American flag has been burned in France

Again, you are having a laugh... and that's good for you. But where does it lead us? Constant misinformation on FF, not learning anything new.. Boring..

"Here's a bargain. We'll discuss the Maginot Line, Vichy, Petain, and other subjects for each time an American flag has been burned in France. That will keep FF going for the next millenium. Start counting, we still owe you many thousands of insults."


You don't know well France. Flags were rather burnt when there were american bases in France. That is to say up to 1966. After, it is very rare.

About the Iraqi war, i don't think 1 american flag has been burnt in France. Or by 2 or 3 teenagers who were bored.

Simple, ignore such comments with blatant misinformation..

HC,

Again, you are having a laugh... and that's good for you. But where does it lead us? Constant misinformation on FF, not learning anything new.. Boring..

That's a spirited response, and deserves a K. However, I should point out that this is Nappy's thread, and he wishes to discuss WW2, and why Frogdom lost it. I mentioned Petain, the Maginot Line, and Vichy, all of which are on-topic for this thread.

Just pointing out a pertinent fact here.

Here's a suggestion. Start a new thread about how tired you are of these subjects, and suggest some other, new grounds upon which we can despise the French. I promise to participate, if I'm present to do so.

Trever. Don't forget you said you would explain Integral. I suggest you a direction : Explain why an Integral is a difference of primitive.You refreshed my memory about math i have a little bit forgotten.


About WW2,sure,there are Vichy,Petain,the occupied zone,the free zone,the Atlantic wall.It is endless.

Just for the fun. Few people know it even the french.More than 100 Bridges were exploded the day before the Dday by interior resistance. Perhaps more.

simplefrench,

Trever. Don't forget you said you would explain Integral. I suggest you a direction : Explain why an Integral is a difference of primitive.

Some other thread. And at a time of my choosing.

Zero morale, Zero discipline, Zero competent commanders.

Ya, made the Nazi's look better than what they were.

Something to do with that famous dilettante quality of enjoying life perhaps?

(sorry I couldn't help myself)

feathers,

Something to do with that famous dilettante quality of enjoying life perhaps?

Everything to do with that dilettante quality of life. While the French were enjoying that life and smugly congratulating themselves about their comic-opera military forces, the Germans were building the most modern fighting force in the world.

And Hitler wasn't exactly whispering, was he?

feathers wrote:

Something to do with that famous dilettante quality of enjoying life perhaps?
(sorry I couldn't help myself)

You are right.A part of our culture is Latin. The French is a Latin language. And it is not a secret that Latin are not good for military things. I would even say good for nothing lol

And the south of France has beautiful beaches

But in fact France has been founded by a germanic tribe. Franks.
Germans calls France FrankReich. The kingdom of Franks.

National culture of capitulation and collaboration.

FUCK france!

feathers wrote:

Something to do with that famous dilettante quality of enjoying life perhaps?

(sorry I couldn't help myself)

Well, Ernest "Papa" Hemingway didn't write how he got drunk and stupid with the french and that is why he admired them during the war for nothing.

"That evening it rained very hard but Pelkey and "Papa" were snug in a bistro, with a bottle of wine and some cheese and bread looking down on Paris. They talked about their new found French friends.

"They're a good outfit," Pelkey said. "Best outfit I ever been with. No Discipline. Got to admit that. Drinking all the time. Got to admit that. But plenty fighting outfit. Nobody gives a damn if they get killed or not."

That would be old "Papa's" driver making the comments Hemingway's where far more about him and his french cock snuggling.

But true to french motto...it's not about making the other man die for his country, it is if I drop my guy and they shoot me...oh well..Gallic shrug.

Huge Carpets this book taught me many many more things

6 other armies experimented with radio, frogdom clung to the phone, so fast flowing battles could not be fought, and cables could be severed

7 1924 decided to issue new rifle , 1936 the new one was selected by 1939 only a few hundred thousand had been issued

8 tanks only prototypes were built no mass production saving this for when war seemed about to happen


9 Barthou declaration 17 April 1934 FRANCE WILL HENCEFORTH GUARANTEE HER SECURITY BY HER OWN MEANS

The French lose a lot of wars

"Crack" French troops. An impressive lot....

Nappy. For you, here is my answer :
Give us your feeling


www.fuckfrance.com . . .

simplefrench,

Would you like to have another military base? Haiti is waiting, and I'm sure we'd just love to get the fuck out of there.

Trever wrote:

simplefrench,

Would you like to have another military base? Haiti is waiting, and I'm sure we'd just love to get the fuck out of there.

The last people who colonized Haiti were americans.So,you before.

simplefrench wrote:


The last people who colonized Haiti were americans.

How much crack have you been smoking lately?

Excellent post, Nappy and, as usual, you display an in-depth knowledge of the subject at hand.

All of the experts have a slightly different view of the root causes of the French defeat in 1940. Some blame the failure of pre-war French governments to adequately finance completion of the Maginot line. Others would argue that the Maginot Line was never intended to be the sole means of defense, just a way of economizing on troops, but that so much was invested in fixed fortifications that there was inadequate funding left to finance an adequately equipped mobile force. Many blame intelligence failures, particularly in regards to the ability of German armored forces to move through the Ardennes. And still others pin the blame on inadequate war planning and a blithe assumption that Germany would simply repeat the 1914 Schlieffen Plan all over again.

As for myself, I lean strongly towards the view that the French were just a bunch of fucking cowards.

Jvalette.An occupation if you prefer(i don't see the difference) . From 1915 up to 1930

United States occupation of Haiti :

en.wikipedia.org . . .