IDF Ethicist: War Crimes Claims are Nonsense

by Gil Ronen
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(IsraelNN.com) Israel Prize Laureate Professor Asa Kasher, who formulated the Israel Defense Force's Code of Ethics, has dismissed the claims that the IDF committed war crimes in the 2009 Cast Lead campaign against Hamas.

“There is no army in the world that will endanger its soldiers in order to avoid hitting the warned neighbors of an enemy or terrorist,” Kasher told the Institute for Contemporary Affairs in Jerusalem. “Israel should favor the lives of its own soldiers over the lives of the well-warned neighbors of a terrorist when it is operating in a territory that it does not effectively control, because in such territories it does not bear the moral responsibility for properly separating between dangerous individuals and harmless ones.”

“Compare the Gaza operation to the U.S. Marine operation in Fallujah, Iraq, in late 2004,” Kasher said. “During the operation, about 6,000 Iraqis including 1,200-2,000 insurgents were killed. Of the city's 50,000 buildings, some 10,000 were destroyed, including 60 mosques. Thus, the U.S. left a trail of destruction in Fallujah far greater than anything Israel inflicted on Gaza.”

The full text of 'A Moral Evaluation of Cast Lead' by Prof. Kasher appears in the Opinion section, in two parts.

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Axel_Bavaria wrote:

“Compare the Gaza operation to the U.S. Marine operation in Fallujah, Iraq, in late 2004,” Kasher said. “During the operation, about 6,000 Iraqis including 1,200-2,000 insurgents were killed. Of the city's 50,000 buildings, some 10,000 were destroyed, including 60 mosques. Thus, the U.S. left a trail of destruction in Fallujah far greater than anything Israel inflicted on Gaza.”

Tough luck cry baby: we do as we please, you do what we tell you to do. It's called the golden rule: "he who has the gold sets the rules!"

Is this old home week or what?

WilyB wrote:

Tough luck cry baby: we do as we please, you do what we tell you to do. It's called the golden rule: "he who has the gold sets the rules!"

That's why I keep saying that all US "aid" for Israel must end. Of course you and the rest of the Jew-haters don't want it to end, because you know exactly that it would unleash Israel on your beloved arab moslem buddies. But ultimately the truth will prevail, and the Israeli people will force their corrupted government to end that "special relationship" with the US.

Oh, here's a picture for you:

Nazi Ethicist: War Crimes Claims are Nonsense

Professor Dr. Josef Goebbels, who formulated the SS Code of Ethics, has dismissed the claims that the Wehrmacht committed war crimes in the 1942 campaign against Soviet partisans. "There is no army in the world that will endanger its soldiers in order to avoid hitting the warned neighbors of an enemy or terrorist," Goebbels told the Institute for Contemporary Affairs in Berlin. "Germany should favor the lives of its own soldiers over the lives of the well-warned neighbors of a terrorist when it is operating in a territory that it does not effectively control, because in such territories it does not bear the moral responsibility for properly separating between dangerous individuals and harmless ones."

Works for any country.

“There is no army in the world that will endanger its soldiers in order to avoid hitting the warned neighbors of an enemy or terrorist,”

At least there shouldn't be.

The book "The Art of War" makes it clear.Scorched earth baby!
Do it a few times and promlem solved...Fuck world opinion,fuck the un,fuck the media,and fuck hollywood,just fucking destroy
that peice of real estates ability to throw a fucking stone for the next 100 years and all this crap would stop..

Sale pute !

balls wrote:

“There is no army in the world that will endanger its soldiers in order to avoid hitting the warned neighbors of an enemy or terrorist,”

At least there shouldn't be.

At least there shouldn't be.

You must be unaware of mandatory US military escalation of force procedures, when soldiers confront potential threats. It is usually something like shout, signal, speed, shove, show, shoot a warning shot, and then shot to kill with a sure backstop. Plenty of soldiers are in military cemeteries for giving the enemy the benefit of the doubt and many soldiers are on their way to Leavenworth for giving their soldiers the benefit of the doubt and not following those procedures to a T.

Of course you and the rest of the Jew-haters don't want it to end, because you know exactly that it would unleash Israel on your beloved arab moslem buddies

An all-out war between Israel and the Arab World will not end well for Israel. In every conflict since 1948, Israel has always had numerical and, except for its initial war of independence, technological advantages over the Arabs.

Should the US terminate its relationship with Israel, China would very quickly begin funding and aiding Arab armies. China needs oil and the arabs have it. They don't give two shits about jews or israel or any "prophecies". They're either buddhists or atheists and the rantings of ancient desert hermits mean nothing to them.

Remember, when Israel was "wiped from the map" in 135AD by the Romans, China had already been a unified state for 356 years (Qui Shin Huang, the first emperor, unified China in 221BC). So, to the Chinese, the belief that the world will end or a messiah will come to "judge the world" when Israel is destroyed seems pretty silly to them.

Without US-made/licensed weapons or US money to fund Israeli-manufacture or purchases from Europe of new weapons, Israel will very quickly find itself outgunned and outmanned by a China-supported muslim world sitting on top of oceans of oil.

Here's the Sun Tzu kicker: If Israel is indeed overrun and carries out the "Sampson Option" by nuking muslim capitals and religious sites, it will kill off the leading arabs and leave the Middle East ripe for China to walk in and take over under the guise of humanitarianism, while at the same time giving them access to many oil fields.

The Chinese don't play checkers or even chess. They play Go. If you want to understand how the Chinese think, learn to play Go.

A_Thinking_Man wrote:

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An all-out war between Israel and the Arab World will not end well for Israel. In every conflict since 1948, Israel has always had numerical and technological advantages over the Arabs.

LOL. The opposite is true. The first "war" in which Israel had the technological edge was the Lebanon campaign. Until then the Israelis had fought with outdated material.

And in each and every conflict, the enemy outnumbered Israel, and that will never change, either. It's 300 million arabs or 1.4 billion moslems worldwide against 6 million Israeli Jews or 14 million Jews worldwide.

Should the US terminate its relationship with Israel, China would very quickly begin funding and aiding Arab armies. China needs oil and the arabs have it. They don't give two shits about jews or israel or any "prophecies". They're either buddhists or atheists and the rantings of ancient desert hermits mean nothing to them.

China gets its oil largely from Africa. They know how to handle the niggers. And Israel is on good terms with the Chinese, so I don't think your wet dreams would come true. The Chinese are winners, and winners don't associate with sore losers like the arabs.

Remember, when Israel was "wiped from the map" in 135AD by the Romans, China had already been a unified state for 356 years (Qui Shin Huang, the first emperor, unified China in 221BC). So, to the Chinese, the belief that the world will end or a messiah will come to "judge the world" when Israel is destroyed seems pretty silly to them.

Let's not get theological here, a gook like you wouldn't understand my explanations anyway.

Without US-made/licensed weapons or US money to fund Israeli-manufacture or purchases from Europe of new weapons, Israel will very quickly find itself outgunned and outmanned by a China-supported muslim world sitting on top of oceans of oil.

US weapons can be bought without US money, too. Israel doesn't need the latter, and if need be can do well without the former, too. But I see you're desperate to keep Israel under control via "US aid" ...

Here's the Sun Tzu kicker: If Israel is indeed overrun and carries out the "Sampson Option" by nuking muslim capitals and religious sites, it will kill off the leading arabs and leave the Middle East ripe for China to walk in and take over under the guise of humanitarianism, while at the same time giving them access to many oil fields.

The Chinese don't play checkers or even chess. They play Go. If you want to understand how the Chinese think, learn to play Go.

Well, that would be great. The Chinese are much more sympathetic than the moslems, at any rate.

And in each and every conflict, the enemy outnumbered Israel,

Bullshit. The only conflict where the Arabs outnumbered Israelis was the 1967 Six Day War. In every other conflict, Israel had a numerical advantage in troops.

1948 Arab-Israeli War:
Israeli Military - 115,000
Combined Arab Forces - 74,000

1956 Suez Canal Crisis:
Israeli Military - 175,000 (plus 79,000 British & French)
Egyptian Military - 70,000

1967 Six Day War:
Israeli Military - 264,000
Combined Arab Forces - 547,000

1967 War of Attrition:
Israeli Military - 275,000
Combined Egyptian & Soviet Forces - 215,000

1973 Yom Kippur War:
Israel Military - 415,000
Combined Arab Forces - 390,000

China gets its oil largely from Africa. They know how to handle the niggers.

Africa is 6,000 miles away from China and the flow of oil could be very easily cut off in times of crises by dozens of the world's navies. The Middle East is less than half that distance and oil is/could be piped across land -- throughout history, the Chinese have been terrible at sea, but much more successful on land.

And Israel is on good terms with the Chinese, so I don't think your wet dreams would come true.

For now. In the game of Go, the players wins not just by "killing" the other player's stones, but also through a combination of influence and territorial control. The Chinese are playing Israelis for fools.

Between 2001 and 2005, China-Iran trade nearly tripled from $3.3B to $9.2B, by 2008, it had reached $25B. China-Israel trade in 2008 was only $5B -- 1/5 that of China-Iran trade.

At the same time, China signed a 25-year agreement with Iran for 110 million metric tons of LNG. China also secured another $6B in LNG agreements and oil field development and refinery deals with Iran. By refining the oil and piping it back to Iran, China also maintains some measure of control over Iran. By the way, how much oil and LNG does Israel supply to China? Yeah, none.

The Chinese are winners, and winners don't associate with sore losers like the arabs.

The Chinese are long-term strategists. They don't plan for 4 year or 8 year terms like US Presidents. They make 10, 20 and even 100 year plans. You think the Chinese taking the most medals in 2008 when the Olympics were hosted in Beijing was a fluke? Ha.

Let's not get theological here, a gook like you wouldn't understand my explanations anyway.

Pathetic. Just admit that the Chinese, as buddhists and atheists, don't give two shits about the rantings of desert hermits who created the cult of kikery.

The only reason China even talks to Israel is to get US military technology that the kikes will happily turn over to China -- such as Patriot Missiles and the Global Hawk UAV:

Look familiar?


When the US cuts off technology-sharing with Israel, there won't be any more need for China to even talk to Israel.

A_Thinking_Man wrote:

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When the US cuts off technology-sharing with Israel, there won't be any more need for China to even talk to Israel.

I certainly hope that the US will cut it off, cause the technology-sharing was a one-way-street up to now: Israel shared, and the US received her technology. Cutting-edge US technology was never sold to Israel - Israel only got outdated stuff.

I certainly hope that the US will cut it off, cause the technology-sharing was a one-way-street up to now: Israel shared, and the US received her technology.

Complete bullshit. Without the US, Israel wouldn't have a technology sector. Hell, Israel wouldn't even exist.

Still, I bet that's how you justify Israel stealing technology and national security secrets and passing them on to the Soviets and Chinese, isn't it?

Cutting-edge US technology was never sold to Israel - Israel only got outdated stuff.

Again, total bullshit. Israel received the MIM-23 Hawk Surface-to-Air missile in 1965, only 5 years after the US Marines received it. Israel also received the F-15 Eagle in 1977, only a year after the US Air Force deployed them. In addition, the A-4 Skyhawk nor F-4 Phantom II were hardly "outdated stuff".

Why must you insist on continuing to get pwn3d? All of your arguments are complete bullshit. Do some research first.

A_Thinking_Man wrote:

Here's the Sun Tzu kicker: If Israel is indeed overrun and carries out the "Sampson Option" by nuking muslim capitals and religious sites, it will kill off the leading arabs and leave the Middle East ripe for China to walk in and take over under the guise of humanitarianism, while at the same time giving them access to many oil fields.

Here's the rest you DIDN'T mention.....

1) India would nuke pakiland if your scenario played out. If China then nuked India, we would nuke China as a pre-emptive measure once they showed their willingness to use their nukes. I don't think an improvised Russia is willing to die over China.

2) Taiwan has nukes and joooland knows it. Taiwan doesn't have as many as joooland but they only need enough to obliterate the central communist government (Beijing) and a few major military targets.
China is NOT being held back by conventional weapons in Taiwan.

3) China simply does not know what secret agreements the US and Taiwan have. They aren't willing to die to find out.....yet. Many of our "defense critical" electronics are made in Taiwan. If anyone thinks they aren't important to us, think again. We can't trust the south Koreans to make the parts for security reasons. If you get caught spying in Taiwan....no big deal...you just die.

4) If joooland gets nuked we will most likely obliterate the guilty parties weapons industry and their larger population centers.

5) Once ANY of this starts, I would rate a coup by our military to be a 67/33 chance in favor IF O'Bummer is still president. They know he's a Marxist and if pressed, they will act accordingly. Remember, if the 'coon is detained for treason, he is no longer comander & HNIC. Even Biden (a devout idiot) can learn to STFU by example.

Here's the rest you DIDN'T mention.....

1) India would nuke pakiland if your scenario played out. If China then nuked India, we would nuke China as a pre-emptive measure once they showed their willingness to use their nukes. I don't think an improvised Russia is willing to die over China.

Why would India nuke Pakistan if Israel nukes muslim capitals and religious sites via the "Sampson Option"? Not the I wouldn't enjoy seeing Pakistan nuked, but not sure why India would launch.

For the same reason, why would China nuke India in response to an Indian attack on Pakistan? It's true that China's military sales to Pakistan are vast, but there isn't a mutual defense agreement that requires China to attack India if India attacks Pakistan.

Pakistan can retaliate with its own nukes and kill tens of millions of Indians -- again, this would fit perfectly into Sun Tzu's philosophy of getting others to fight the worst battles against your enemy while keeping your army in reserve.

2) Taiwan has nukes and joooland knows it. Taiwan doesn't have as many as joooland but they only need enough to obliterate the central communist government (Beijing) and a few major military targets.

Taiwan will eventually be pulled into the gravity well of China. Mao was willing to wait 100 years. Without US support, which the US cannot continue to provide indefinitely, Taiwan will eventually stand alone. By then, China will have shown so much respect to the "One State, Two Systems" mechanism in Hong Kong, that future Taiwan voters won't be as wary of rejoining China.

China is NOT being held back by conventional weapons in Taiwan.

China will wait -- it's what they do. This year, they celebrate the year 4,708.

3) China simply does not know what secret agreements the US and Taiwan have. They aren't willing to die to find out.....yet. Many of our "defense critical" electronics are made in Taiwan. If anyone thinks they aren't important to us, think again. We can't trust the south Koreans to make the parts for security reasons. If you get caught spying in Taiwan....no big deal...you just die.

China's been playing the good guy in Asia for the last decade or so. They've even "ignored" the Philippines drilling for oil in the Spratly Islands -- territory claimed by China. So why do the Chinese tolerate it? They want to be seen as the "nice guy", not some greedy giant like the US that goes to war for oil, and they're not shy about making that comparison in their foreign relations. Sneaky bastards.

4) If joooland gets nuked we will most likely obliterate the guilty parties weapons industry and their larger population centers.

Israel won't be nuked. If there's a nuclear war in the Middle East, Israel will start it. Without US support, Israel won't be able to survive an all-out war with the Arabs, since those Arabs would be armed by the Chinese. Israel's "Sampson Option" calls for it to nuke muslim capitals and religious sites if Israel is annihilated.

5) Once ANY of this starts, I would rate a coup by our military to be a 67/33 chance in favor IF O'Bummer is still president. They know he's a Marxist and if pressed, they will act accordingly. Remember, if the 'coon is detained for treason, he is no longer comander & HNIC. Even Biden (a devout idiot) can learn to STFU by example.

This is decades, maybe half-a-century down the road. By then our military will have been so weakened by budget cuts and "reassignment of priorities" it'll look more like Canada's military than ours today. We're stretched thin and the Chinks have taken all our manufacturing (our "Arsenal of Democracy").

But I like the coup idea. Especially with Obama being perpwalked across the White House lawn.

Refresh my memory: when was the last time frips won a batlle on this planet? What? I can't hear you!

Interesting argument. Palestinians (not the terrorists) were warned. So it's their responsibility to flee from the combat area. Ahem...fleeing where?

The Jews of Warsaw were warned too. I suppose they were free to flee too...somewhere.

If I remember well, the Jews of Warsaw had 14 hand-guns. They represented a serious threat to the German Army. Your point is very pertinent.

Mafioso wrote:

Interesting argument. Palestinians (not the terrorists) were warned. So it's their responsibility to flee from the combat area. Ahem...fleeing where?.

Are you really that stupid ? Out of the house, into the fields or into other houses, which are not endangered ? It's the same in every war - civilians have the responsibility to keep away from military installations. And the military has to keep them away, too.

Israel warns the civilian population in many cases of imminent attacks.

I wouldn't do so if I was in charge. It is not mandated, neither by the Geneva Conventions, nor by the Hague Land Warfare statutes.

More often than not this well-intentioned procedure hurts the objective of the mission, giving the enemy time to draw out weapons, fighters, raw materials and whatever is there just in time before the place is being levelled by the IDF.

Moreover, there is no such thing as a civilian in the war of islam against the Jews. Every moslem is a combattant - the men fight with their rifles, knives and explosive belts, the women battle with their wombs, spitting out many little jihad fighters. All moslems are roaches and deserve to die.

mamud wrote:

People who really have taste sleep with their pugs… I think it's more fun to sleep with a pug than with a paleosimian, provided you have to kill the goatfucker one time or another during the night. The pug usually snoars, but the camel-jockey has to die. That answers the question, doesn't it?

Are you high on coke or something ?

Israel had always been quite restrained when you consider who they are facing...

Only in recent years has Israel been sometimes over the top. But again, their Muzz enemies are fanatics, lunatics and idiots

I don't want to see what Muzz would do if they had Tsahal

Muzzies must die. That's a law of Nature!