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Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Trever Comments: 6110, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 04:09 PM
Edited by Trever (78442) on 2010-02-08 17:27:57

I doubt that there is anyone in the Solar System who hasn't heard of the Leftist notion concerning root causes. There are root causes, we are told, that explain every social pathology in the world, and they are all to be found in capitalism, the United States, Republican policies, and so forth.

Because the "root causes" idea is so prevalent, and because I'm sure it is familiar to us all, I'll go light on examples. Here are four.

-- The root cause of Black inner-city poverty is said to be (White) racism.

-- The root cause of rape is assumed to be a general culture of sexism and violence against women.

-- The root cause of our current economic morass is attributed to (Republican) greed.

-- The root cause of American patriotism is a nascent fascism.

Und so weiter.

Question: Why has it never occurred to our Leftist professors, liberal talking heads, progressive internet policy wonks, and DNC Robespierres, that perhaps there are root causes for the Tea Party movement? The Tea Parties are, after all, a very distressing phenomenon to the Left, so the movement deserves analysis just like any other bit of Americana. And let's face it, the Tea Parties are a bit like Hip-Hop – they aren’t going away any time soon.

So what say you? Why does the Left seem so oblivious to the root causes of the Tea Party movement, when the Left has found such causes for everything else?

And what do you believe those root causes are, BTW?

14 Replies to Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties"

re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" en>fr fr>en
By Gia Comments: 1546, member since Thu Sep 24, 2009
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 04:37 PM
Is this a research assignment (homework) Trever?
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" en>fr fr>en
By Trever Comments: 6110, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 04:46 PM
Gia,

Is this a research assignment (homework) Trever?


Mais non. What, does my writing seem scholarly? (Or didactic?) I'd just like to know why the Tea Party movement has not been properly "analyzed" by the Left. It's been generally criticised, but that "root cause" always seems to be missing from the criticism. What's your view?
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By WineandCoke Comments: 17075, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:03 PM
Edited by WineandCoke (63052) on 2010-02-08 17:05:22
What's your view?
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I don't know anything about root causes, but I think there are several causes for the Tea Party movement(s), including: growing outrage and anger that the politicians seem out of touch with ordinary people; growing disbelief that any politician will keep his or her campaign promises; the yawning federal deficit and debt; the changing demographics of the U.S. population; huge and continuing illegal immigration; Republican/conservative/business efforts to undermine and discredit Obama and the Dems through the Leninist route of creating alternative political structures; disquiet and suspicion over the country's first non-white president.

Have I forgotten any?
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By MSLSD Comments: 840, member since Fri Feb 09, 2007
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:06 PM
The root causes of the tea-party moment goes beyond the raising of taxes, I think it stems from an out of control central government that feels it can step on the necks of everyday Americans who pay their taxes, work, raise their families, and asked for nothing in return.

Case 1 Obama's Carzs - I would think that many teabaggers understand what obama was trying to do by appointing 72 carzs - including the new FCC chair.

Case 2 The Fairness Doctrine

Case 3 At the same time obama was appointing these czars, cap and trade was trying to be pushed

case 4 At the same time obama was ramming through socialist medicine.

case 5 At the same time jobless claims were going double digits

Top this off by a main stream media that was being viewed as being increasingly more bias, there started to become a whirlwind of concern to everyday Americans

It would seem to me that many people were starting to feel trampled on, and that they were losing control of the government that was suppose to be working for them.

They also felt that the media was hostile against the everyday Americans that just wanted to have a government that was responsible in answering to "We The People".

All in all I think this is what they call a perfect storm, that we have obama to thank for. Since it was his administration that thought they could ram this shit through to docile American Republic.

Or it could be that suddenly everyday people are just racist, and we cant stand having a coon in the whitehouse.

Yea' forget everything I just typed, we just hate niggers.
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Trever Comments: 6110, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:18 PM
W&C wrote:

"...Republican/conservative/business efforts to undermine and discredit Obama and the Dems through the Leninist route of creating alternative political structures;


You've listed some good reasons, but I don't believe that "creating alternative political structures" has anything to do with a Leninist route. Political parties have risen and fallen, long before 1917. In America, the Whig Party was utterly destroyed shortly before the Civil War, and the Republican Party was a relatively new upstart, even as Lincoln rose through its ranks to the Presidency. So I wouldn't consider today's Tea Parties to be a Leninist route, but a universal one.

The biggest difference between the Tea Party movement and the Leninist one is that (to my knowledge) there have been no mass murders advocated (let alone carried out) by the Tea Party movement. I see no kinship between Leninism and the Tea Party movement.
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Gia Comments: 1546, member since Thu Sep 24, 2009
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:19 PM
Trever wrote:

Gia,

Is this a research assignment (homework) Trever?


Mais non. What, does my writing seem scholarly? (Or didactic?) I'd just like to know why the Tea Party movement has not been properly "analyzed" by the Left. It's been generally criticised, but that "root cause" always seems to be missing from the criticism. What's your view?





Well, first of all, The "Tea Party" movement is probably one of the most important social developments of the past 40 years. The movement is a mix of America's society and both parties. The tea parties are not "republican events". It's not limited to one race or socia-economic background. However the majority are middle class. We are the genuine representatives of the backbone of the US. Americans are witnessing the wreckage caused by the government’s efforts to control every area of our lives. The prime reason for the movement is to call out and remind ALL politicians in DC why they are there. We want them to serve the citizens best interest, not their own. They MUST represent us. Our leaders have lost all credibility with the American public. The government has pushed the people to a tipping point. The need for reform is with the Senate and the Congress. Generations have watched our republic slip away year after year through the greed of our elected officials. The citizens of our great country are finally calling out "bullshit" on the political elitist class. Americans are just beginning to understand that our nation’s mounting debt and rapidly declining creditworthiness will hand over our national security to our enemies. Our Representatives better pay attention to the fact that we will be represented by our "elected Officials, or we will vote them OUT!"
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" en>fr fr>en
By WineandCoke Comments: 17075, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:36 PM
You've listed some good reasons, but I don't believe that "creating alternative political structures" has anything to do with a Leninist route.
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It was a tactic Lenin mastered, though of course it predated him. I see some of the anti-Obama forces using such methods to discredit the president, e.g. denial of his American citizenship, adoption of motifs from the Revolution to claim anti-Obamites are the "real' Americans etc.
I think V.I. Lenin would have understood and applauded such tactics.
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By bizlah Comments: 877, member since Tue Dec 15, 2009
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:39 PM
And let's face it, the Tea Parties are a bit like Hip-Hop


No, really, its not.
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" en>fr fr>en
By Trever Comments: 6110, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:45 PM
Gia,

Having read your response several times, I think the following sentence is the most insightful one, and sums up a lot (about which, more in a moment).

The citizens of our great country are finally calling out "bullshit" on the political elitist class.


I also have the view that American politicians (including many Republicans) are increasingly being viewed as a much-hated "class," as with the royalty and nobility of Europe (eg, France circa 1789). The American ideal of the citizen-legislator has been replaced by a stodgy, self-protecting and gerrymandering gang of cynics. Together, they appear to form a purple-order class that cannot be wrested out of office, and which seems profoundly unAmerican.

This is a relatively new phenomenon, because the American ideal has always been to reject class-consciousness in general. But the combined behavior of our leaders have made that impossible.
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By JeanValettemember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 41588, member since Sat Mar 15, 2003
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:52 PM
Edited by JeanValette (59757) on 2010-02-08 18:00:06



Edenton Tea Party

A British cartoon satirizing the Edenton Tea Party participantsThe Edenton Tea Party was a political protest in Edenton, North Carolina, in response to the Tea Act, which was passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Inspired by the Boston Tea Party and the calls for tea boycotts and the resolutions of the first North Carolina Provincial Congress, 51 women, led by Penelope Barker, met on October 25, 1774, and signed a statement of protest vowing to give up tea and boycott other British products "until such time that all acts which tend to enslave our Native country shall be repealed."[1]

Organized by women

The Edenton Tea Party was a landmark, not because of the stances taken—boycotts were common across the Thirteen Colonies—but because it was organized by women. At the time, women were very much absent in politics and the Tea Party was one of the first instances of political action by women.[2] Despite their usual absence at political gatherings, women played a significant role in the running of the household and were therefore crucial to boycott efforts instigated by men. Barker believed that action by women would be noteworthy in England and sent a copy of the declaration to the British press. She said at the time “Maybe it has only been men who have protested the king up to now. That only means we women have taken too long to let our voices be heard. We are signing our names to a document, not hiding ourselves behind costumes like the men in Boston did at their tea party. The British will know who we are.” [3] While the reaction in England was mostly derogatory and not taken seriously, mainly because the signatories were women, in the colonies it inspired many other women to take up the boycotts and were praised by many patriots.[2]

Text

Unlike many famous documents from the American Revolution, the petition signed at the Edenton Tea Party survives only through British accounts. The text of the petition, and the list of signers, was printed in the Morning Chronicle and London Advertiser on January 16, 1775.[4]

The full text of the petition reads:

As we cannot be indifferent on any occasion that appears nearly to affect the peace and happiness of our country, and as it has been thought necessary, for the public good, to enter into several particular resolves by a meeting of Members deputed from the whole Province, it is a duty which we owe, not only to our near and dear connections who have concurred in them, but to ourselves who are essentially interested in their welfare, to do every thing as far as lies in our power to testify our sincere adherence to the same; and we do therefore accordingly subscribe this paper, as a witness of our fixed intention and solemn determination to do so.

References
1.^ Edenton History FAQ's www.edenton.com . . .
2.^ a b Edenton Tea Party; North Carolina History www.northcarolinahistory.org . . .
3.^ Penelope Barker Bio; National Women's History Museum www.nwhm.org . . .
4.^ Edenton Tea Party; Learn NC www.learnnc.org . . .

en.wikipedia.org . . .
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By Gia Comments: 1546, member since Thu Sep 24, 2009
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:57 PM
Edited by Gia (82344) on 2010-02-08 17:58:42 s/p
Trever wrote:

Gia,

Having read your response several times, I think the following sentence is the most insightful one, and sums up a lot (about which, more in a moment).

The citizens of our great country are finally calling out "bullshit" on the political elitist class.


I also have the view that American politicians (including many Republicans) are increasingly being viewed as a much-hated "class," as with the royalty and nobility of Europe (eg, France circa 1789). The American ideal of the citizen-legislator has been replaced by a stodgy, self-protecting and gerrymandering gang of cynics. Together, they appear to form a purple-order class that cannot be wrested out of office, and which seems profoundly unAmerican.

This is a relatively new phenomenon, because the American ideal has always been to reject class-consciousness in general. But the combined behavior of our leaders have made that impossible.



Exactly Trever. The American people are not stupid. We know our history and respect the blood sacrificed by our forefathers & countrymen. The self-serving SOBs (on both sides, but mostly the left) have done the country much damage. We, the American people want Washington to undertand that we care about our liberty, our economic security, our national security, and the American Dream, and we will stop at nothing to hold onto it.
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By geebart Comments: 3398, member since Fri Jun 16, 2006
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 06:06 PM
Whines & Sucks Cock likes to completely ignore the smear campaign, orchestrated on many levels, against tea party advocates such as Joe the Plumber. Anyone remember his illegal background search? All the talking heads on the left use vulgar sexual references and of course token accusations of racism to discredit the movement. Meanwhile repooplican RINO blowhards try to hijack the movement so as to maintain the political status quo.
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Trever Comments: 6110, member since Wed Nov 09, 2005
On Mon Feb 08, 2010 06:09 PM
W&C,

I see some of the anti-Obama forces using such methods to discredit the president, e.g. denial of his American citizenship, adoption of motifs from the Revolution to claim anti-Obamites are the "real' Americans etc.
I think V.I. Lenin would have understood and applauded such tactics.


To paraphrase the movie/TV credits, any similarity between the Tea Party and the Leninist movement are unintentional and do not represent the opinions of the Tea Party movement.
re: Concerning "Root Causes" and "Tea Parties" en>fr fr>en
By Tiberius Comments: 8440, member since Tue Feb 11, 2003
On Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:52 PM
Trever wrote:


You've listed some good reasons, but I don't believe that "creating alternative political structures" has anything to do with a Leninist route.


He's just using the liberal-Leninist tactic of accusing his enemies of doing what he does....from FDR's love affair with Stalin and mainstream liberal press knowingly publishing lies to cover up Stalin's crimes in the '30s to the Boomers condemning millions of people to death in Southeast Asia at the hands of "Marxist-Leninist' Regimes in the '60s and '70s to thier attempt to disarm the West to leave it helpless before Soviet attack in the '80s to the direct contact between the Democrat House leadership and communist insurgents in Colombia today the Dems actions indicate they have no problem whatsoever with "Marxist-Leninist" Regimes.

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