In Germany you have to pay a lot of money for a grave spot, plus the costs of the stones, inscription etc. It's some €1500 - 2000,--, depending on the city (for the spot alone, the material, stones, work costs extra). In some places you also have to pay an annual fee for the cemetery gardener. After 10, 15 or 20 years, the grave spot has to be "renewed", i.e. you have to pay for it again, another €2000,-- if you want your deceased family members to keep resting there. Otherwise the grave will be dug out, the stones will be smashed and the bones will be shreddered and disposed off in some undisclosed location. You don't see old graves in German cemeteries, except if they're cared for (and paid for) by still-living descendants of the deceased. Often, space is not even an issue - I've seen old graves, esp. in Eastern German cemeteries, been bulldozed without any reason whatsoever.



Compare that to the US. Admittedly I do not know about the individual cities' regulations and procedures, and I would be glad if some Americans could tell us more about that.

But I do know a bit about the National Cemeteries in the US. There are 140 in 40 states. Countless US soldiers are buried there, more than 300,000. Each soldier receives a stone, free of charge, with his inscription on it. They're buried there with military proceedings, and able to rest there for eternity. No fees, no bulldozing of the grave after a decade or two, no nothing. Even the wives of soldiers can be buried on the same spot, they receive their inscription on the back of their husband's stone - for free, too. The same applies to underage children.

If you know where he's buried, you can find your great-great-...-grandfather there ! That's a nation with a sense of history ! In Germany, people seem to be poised to eradicate their history !

Axel_Bavaria wrote:

But I do know a bit about the National Cemeteries in the US. There are 140 in 40 states. Countless US soldiers are buried there, more than 300,000.

Source: Wikipedia

If you know where he's buried, you can find your great-great-...-grandfather there ! That's a nation with a sense of history ! In Germany, people seem to be poised to eradicate their history !

lol...'seem poised???' krauts have been trying to erase history ever since your entire nation went insane, started the second world war and genocided all the jews, gypsies, slavs and other various non aryans, except the frogs who make excellent slaves and chefs. LOfuckingL

Europeans love to talk about their love of "history" as if having a thousand year old castle in the area automagically makes them experts. Most of them are fucking sophisticated wine swilling retards on welfare, no better than USA trailer trash or ghetto niggers

Axel_Bavaria wrote:

In Germany, people seem to be poised to eradicate their history !

K. This particular detail reflects clearly the immense complex, lost identity of the German people since WWII

HuguesCapet wrote:

Axel_Bavaria wrote:

But I do know a bit about the National Cemeteries in the US. There are 140 in 40 states. Countless US soldiers are buried there, more than 300,000.

Source: Wikipedia

Sounds about right though...there are five that I know of in Maryland alone.

In Germany, people seem to be poised to eradicate their history !

Who s in fault, you filthy zionist turd ?....If Germany had not been forced to constantly spit on herself by Israel and its whining jewish holocostic lobbies for these last 65 years, Maybe the germans d ve been able to find some reasons to be proud of their history

Tell me how you treat your dead ... and I will tell you who you are

How many hundreds of Christians cemeteries ve been vandalized these last 60 years in Israel ?

To get back to what Axel posted...

National cemeteries are considered holy ground

I would say that desecrating them or those interned there means you are desecrating the United States and the Constitution.

Here is the actual list.

www.cem.va.gov . . .

It's really 131 national cemeteries, though there may be 9 others that are recognized but not listed under the Veterans Affairs.

For example in Maryland, the VA doesn't list Garrison Forrest Veterans Cemetery.

In America we have military cemetaries, public cemetaries and religious (Catholic)cemetaries. I have family in all three. If what you say is true, I find Germany's cemetary procedures disrespectful to your ancestors. It seems to me Germany is still trying to eradicate it's history making it devoid of passion or prejudice. There can be no true understanding of the present with out knowledge of the past. Everything happening in the world today is a piece of a long line of events, decisions and lives that came before. By not knowing the past, it is not possible to know the present or the future. "Those Who Do Not Remember History Are Condemned to Repeat It."

I think the germs have had this sort of attitude since the beginning of WW11 - probably because they new what they would do 2 the six or seven million jews - that many grave plots would have been costly

OoooSpreadMyBustedAnUS wrote:

How many hundreds of Christians cemeteries ve been vandalized these last 60 years in Israel ?

Got any photographic evidence of that you anti semite muzzlim cum drinker, or is your collection limited to underage boyporn. What fuckin little faggot you are, every comment you post revolves around Jooooos. What did some fuckin Kike screw your worthless daddy out of something at some point in time?

Compare that to the US. Admittedly I do not know about the individual cities' regulations and procedures, and I would be glad if some Americans could tell us more about that.

Cemeteries in the US are managed in perpetuity so far, remember most parts of this country were not settled until the early 1800's.

I can take you to cemeteries of midwest settlers dating from the early 1800's that are cared for by people who have no connection to the people who are buried there. Some of course are forgotten and overgrown but are still marked on county maps so it is unlikely they would be accidentally bulldozed for a parking lot.

When it happens and it does from time to time, the state steps in and takes possession of the graveyard and turns it over to a responsible operator.

Serbia and Montenegro, where ever you have an old church or a monestary, you have an old graveyard with stones dating back hundreds of years.

NOZZLE wrote:

OoooSpreadMyBustedAnUS wrote:

How many hundreds of Christians cemeteries ve been vandalized these last 60 years in Israel ?

Got any photographic evidence of that you anti semite muzzlim cum drinker, or is your collection limited to underage boyporn. What fuckin little faggot you are, every comment you post revolves around Jooooos. What did some fuckin Kike screw your worthless daddy out of something at some point in time?

Compare that to the US. Admittedly I do not know about the individual cities' regulations and procedures, and I would be glad if some Americans could tell us more about that.

Cemeteries in the US are managed in perpetuity so far, remember most parts of this country were not settled until the early 1800's.

I can take you to cemeteries of midwest settlers dating from the early 1800's that are cared for by people who have no connection to the people who are buried there. Some of course are forgotten and overgrown but are still marked on county maps so it is unlikely they would be accidentally bulldozed for a parking lot.

When it happens and it does from time to time, the state steps in and takes possession of the graveyard and turns it over to a responsible operator.

Serbia and Montenegro, where ever you have an old church or a monestary, you have an old graveyard with stones dating back hundreds of years.

Legend has it that Steven Spielberg filmed poltergeist using a real cemetery,using real bodies as props. Interestingly several members of the cast, including the little girl, died within years of filming that movie.

four cast members died in the six years between the release of the first film and the release of the third, with one dying during production of the second film. Two of them died at young ages, 12 and 22. It is not clear that these particular films are atypical in the number or nature of the deaths of their actors,

Same holds true for the way a people treat thier animals..

Having fistintheASS call you a name is like having a five year old call you "poopoo head". It is immature and laughably lame.

Source: en.wikipedia.org . . .

Zoroastrian tradition considers a dead body—in addition to cut hair and nail-parings—to be nasu, unclean, i.e. potential pollutants. Specifically, the corpse demon (Avestan: nasu.daeva) was believed to rush into the body and contaminate everything it came into contact with, hence the Vendidad (an ecclesiastical code "given against the demons") has rules for disposing of the dead as "safely" as possible.

To preclude the pollution of earth or fire (see Zam and Atar respectively), the bodies of the dead are placed atop a tower—a tower of silence—and so exposed to the sun and to birds of prey. Thus, "putrefaction with all its concomitant evils" "is most effectually prevented."

The towers, which are fairly uniform in their construction, have an almost flat roof, with the perimeter being slightly higher than the center. The roof is divided into three concentric rings: The bodies of men are arranged around the outer ring, women in the second circle, and children in the innermost ring. Once the bones have been bleached by the sun and wind, which can take as long as a year, they are collected in an ossuary pit at the center of the tower, where—assisted by lime—they gradually disintegrate and the remaining material—with run-off rainwater—runs through multiple coal and sand filters before being eventually washed out to sea. The ritual precinct may be entered only by a special class of pallbearers, called nasellars, a contraction of nasa.salar, caretaker (-salar) of potential pollutants (nasa-).

The earliest reference to ritual exposure comes from Herodotus (Histories i.140), where the historiographer describes the rites to have been secret, and "vaguely" that these first occurred after the body had been dragged around by a dog or bird. Further, the Magi (a term that eventually came to signify a Zoroastrian priest but may not have meant that in Herodotus' time) practiced this quite openly, before they finally embalmed the corpse with wax and laid it in a trench.

While the discovery of ossuaries (in both eastern and western Iran) dating to 5th and 4th centuries BCE indicates that bones were isolated, that this separation occurred through ritual exposure cannot be assumed: burial mounds, where the bodies were wrapped in wax, have also been discovered. The tombs of the Achaemenid emperors at Naqsh-e Rustam and Pasargadae likewise suggest non-exposure, at least until the bones could be collected. According to legend (incorporated by Ferdowsi into his Shahnameh), Zoroaster is himself interred in a tomb at Balkh (in present-day Afghanistan).

bestinUS wrote:

In Germany, people seem to be poised to eradicate their history !

Who s in fault, you filthy zionist turd ?....If Germany had not been forced to constantly spit on herself by Israel and its whining jewish holocostic lobbies for these last 65 years, Maybe the germans d ve been able to find some reasons to be proud of their history

Tell me how you treat your dead ... and I will tell you who you are

How many hundreds of Christians cemeteries ve been vandalized these last 60 years in Israel ?

The AIDs will provide an forgotten unknown arab/french "grave" for these arab cock loving pedophiles soon enough.

FUCK france!

I had a relative who owned a shitload of land in upstate NY . And when i used to go up there as a kid the local kids used to drag me through the fuckin woods. On the boarder of my relatives property and his neighbors in the middle of the fucking woods thier was an old grave yard. Late 1700's to mid 1800's . Anyway some ol guy used to come and take care of it. My relative used to let him park on his property and hed cut through the back yard and head into the woods to take care of the grave yard. theyre all over the north east.

Cemeteries in the US are managed in perpetuity so far, remember most parts of this country were not settled until the early 1800's.

I can take you to cemeteries of midwest settlers dating from the early 1800's that are cared for by people who have no connection to the people who are buried there. Some of course are forgotten and overgrown but are still marked on county maps so it is unlikely they would be accidentally bulldozed for a parking lot.

Recycling old grave sites is simply not done in the US. In fact to dig up, or otherwise disturb a grave without family permission and/or a court order is a criminal offense that can land your ass in jail! There's also no practical reason to do so since there's ample fresh cemetery space available for current military and civilian internments.

There are older, usually smaller private cemeteries that haven't been properly maintained and are in bad shape. However virtually all larger cemeteries provide "perpetual care," which means the graves will be maintained long after all current living family members have passed on. There's no chance that the graves of WW2 veterans will be dug up to make room new military burials.

maybe it also has to do with age.. not far from where I live there are graves (hügelgrab) that are more than 3000 years old (interestingly it is very close to a tree that is also 700 years old [yes that tree is a lot older than the USA]).

but very close around the graves and tree there are acres.. we don't have that much free space in germany.
when I visited graves in the USA I was amazed how much space you have left for those people.. it just would be unthinkable in germany, because we really need(!) the space to grow food and produce products.

TheCrazyKraut wrote:

maybe it also has to do with age.. not far from where I live there are graves (hügelgrab) that are more than 3000 years old (interestingly it is very close to a tree that is also 700 years old [yes that tree is a lot older than the USA]).

but very close around the graves and tree there are acres.. we don't have that much free space in germany.
when I visited graves in the USA I was amazed how much space you have left for those people.. it just would be unthinkable in germany, because we really need(!) the space to grow food and produce products.

Understandable to a point, but also a crock of shit. You can dig down multiple levels and build up multiple levels conserving space.

Nobody has a problem with moving grave sites as long as it is done with respect.

We do it here in the US, but we show respect and transfer the remains to another area.

Happens often with new construction where we hit grave sites that aren't marked.

Construction is halted until the remains can be removed properly.

bestinUS wrote:

How many hundreds of Christians cemeteries ve been vandalized these last 60 years in Israel ?

Most palestinian cemeteries've been vandalized though none were Christian, rather Muslim.....Fatah militants did vandalize Chirstian cemeteries however....Now let's talk about you:

How many Jewish cemetaries were vandalized in the last 10 years?

:D

Axel_Bavaria wrote:

In Germany you have to pay a lot of money for a grave spot, plus the costs of the stones, inscription etc. It's some €1500 - 2000,--, depending on the city (for the spot alone, the material, stones, work costs extra). In some places you also have to pay an annual fee for the cemetery gardener. After 10, 15 or 20 years, the grave spot has to be "renewed", i.e. you have to pay for it again, another €2000,-- if you want your deceased family members to keep resting there. Otherwise the grave will be dug out, the stones will be smashed and the bones will be shreddered and disposed off in some undisclosed location. You don't see old graves in German cemeteries, except if they're cared for (and paid for) by still-living descendants of the deceased. Often, space is not even an issue - I've seen old graves, esp. in Eastern German cemeteries, been bulldozed without any reason whatsoever.



Compare that to the US. Admittedly I do not know about the individual cities' regulations and procedures, and I would be glad if some Americans could tell us more about that.

But I do know a bit about the National Cemeteries in the US. There are 140 in 40 states. Countless US soldiers are buried there, more than 300,000. Each soldier receives a stone, free of charge, with his inscription on it. They're buried there with military proceedings, and able to rest there for eternity. No fees, no bulldozing of the grave after a decade or two, no nothing. Even the wives of soldiers can be buried on the same spot, they receive their inscription on the back of their husband's stone - for free, too. The same applies to underage children.

If you know where he's buried, you can find your great-great-...-grandfather there ! That's a nation with a sense of history ! In Germany, people seem to be poised to eradicate their history !

Or is is a nation that makes history with what they can find.

Or it is only the demonstration of their psychotic maniac love for wars and violence.

What about their civil cemeteries? Also "holy national ground", with beautifully aligned white crosses and green lawn?

Mafioso wrote:

What about their civil cemeteries? Also "holy national ground", with beautifully aligned white crosses and green lawn?

Yes.

Mafioso wrote:

What about their civil cemeteries?

Spring Grove Cemetery

en.wikipedia.org . . .

Spring Grove Cemetery
U.S. National Register of Historic Places
U.S. National Historic Landmark District
Dexter Memorial at Spring Grove Cemetery

Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Built/Founded: 1855
Architect: Strauch,Adolph; Et al.
Architectural style(s): Gothic Revival
Governing body: Private
Added to NRHP: May 13, 1976
NRHP Reference#: 76001440[1]

For other uses, see Spring Grove Cemetery (disambiguation).
Spring Grove Cemetery and Arboretum (733 acres) is a notable, nonprofit garden cemetery and arboretum located at 4521 Spring Grove Avenue, Cincinnati, Ohio.

History

The cemetery dates from 1844, when members of the Cincinnati Horticultural Society formed a cemetery association. They took their inspiration from contemporary rural cemeteries such as Père Lachaise in Paris, and Mount Auburn Cemetery in Cambridge, Massachusetts. On December 1, 1844 Salmon P. Chase and others prepared the Articles of Incorporation. The cemetery was formally chartered on January 21, 1845, and the first burial took place on September 1, 1845. In 1855 Adolph Strauch, a renowned landscape architect, was hired to renovate the grounds. His sense and layout of the "garden cemetery", made of lakes, trees and shrubs, is what visitors today still see. In 1987, the association officially changed its name to "Spring Grove Cemetery and Arboretum" to better represent its remarkable collection of both native and exotic trees, as well as its State and National Champion Trees.

On March 29, 2007, the cemetery was designated a National Historic Landmark [1]


Grave of Salmon P. Chase at Spring Grove Cemetery.Spring Grove encompasses 733 acres (2.97 km2) of which 400 acres (1.6 km2) are currently landscaped and maintained. Its grounds include 12 ponds, many fine tombstones and memorials, and various examples of Gothic Revival architecture. As of 2005, its National Champion trees were Cladrastis kentukea and Halesia diptera; its State Champion trees included Abies cilicica, Abies koreana, Cedrus libani, Chionanthus virginicus, Eucommia ulmoides, Halesia parvifolia, Metasequoia glyptostroboides, Phellodendron amurense, Picea orientalis, Picea polita, Pinus flexilis, Pinus griffithi, Pinus monticola, Quercus cerris, Quercus nigra, Taxodium distichum, Ulmus serotina, and Zelkova serrata.

Notable burials

Burials at Spring Grove Cemetery, Cincinnati.


Salmon P. Chase, Chief Justice of the United States

Kate Chase, daughter of Salmon Chase and Washington, D.C. Civil War socialite

Henry Stanberry, Attorney General of the United States

Levi Coffin, Quaker abolitionist

Alphonso Taft, politician, father of William Howard Taft

Louise Taft, second wife of Alphonso Taft, and mother of President of the United States William Howard Taft

John McLean, Associate Justice of the United States

William Procter and James Gamble, founders of Procter and Gamble

Bernard Kroger, founder of Kroger supermarkets

Charles L. Fleischmann, yeast manufacturer

John Morgan Walden, Bishop of the Methodist Episcopal Church

Theodore Sommers Henderson, Bishop of the Methodist Episcopal Church

Jacob Ammen, Civil War general

Kenner Garrard, Civil War general

Godfrey Weitzel, Civil War general

Joseph Hooker, Civil War general and commander of the Army of the Potomac at the Battle of Chancellorsville

Alexander Long, congressman

Samuel Fenton Cary, congressman, prohibitionist

William Haines Lytle, 19th century Ohio, general, politician, poet

George Hunt Pendleton, Congressman and a Senator from Ohio

Skip Prosser, Wake Forest University men's basketball head coach at the time of his death, former assistant and head men's basketball coach at Xavier University.

Alexander McDowell McCook, Union army general

Miller Huggins, Hall of Fame baseball manager of New York
Yankees during Babe Ruth era

Dudley Sutphin, Cincinnati attorney, judge and French Legion of Honor medal winner

George K. Brady, United States Army officer. Briefly commander of the Department of Alaska.

One interesting thing is that Graveyards for Confederate Soldiers are not cared for by the Federal Govt. However states usually pitch in and the SCV and DOTC take care of the graves.
Two examples are the Confederate Cemeteries in Spotsylvania and Fredericksburg Va. Local groups always pitch in and make sure they are clean and well maintained.