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en>fr fr>en By Axel_Bavaria Comments: 9499, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003On Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:32 AM
Who Are America’s Reliable Allies?
Posted By Alan M. Dershowitz On February 17, 2012 @ 12:21 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage | No Comments
In a quickly changing world, it is important to ask which countries the United States can always count on in times of crisis. Recent events have shortened that list considerably.
India has long claimed to be a reliable ally, but it is now undercutting American efforts to impose meaningful sanctions against Iran. Its help cannot any longer be counted on in the struggle against the greatest danger faced by the United States—an Iran with nuclear weapons. Japan, another ally, is dilly dallying on sanctions as well. Brazil used to be a reliable partner, until it began to fall under the sway of Venezuela’s Chavez, who is closely allied with Iran and other American enemies. The “new” Russia and China demonstrated their lack of reliability when they vetoed American efforts in the Security Council to help resolve the Syrian crisis. Egypt, which has received billions of dollars of American aid, has defied American warnings not to put US citizens on trial on phony, trumped-up charges. Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates are now playing footsy with Hamas and Hezbollah, also Iranian surrogates, as they worry about the contagion of the Arab Spring and the growing influence of the Muslim Brotherhood.
It turns out that other than Europe, Israel may be America’s only remaining reliable ally. And even some European countries, such as France, Sweden and Norway, are in doubt.
Israel will always remain a strong American ally because it shares an American commitment to democracy, to freedom of religion, to freedom of expression and to an open market economy. It also shares a common commitment to fight against terrorism and other threats to the security of the United States—a commitment that is less that vigorous among some European countries.
Some political scientists and state department officials, who call themselves “realists”, question Israel’s value as an American ally. They are wrong, and recent events confirm how wrong they are and have been.
There is no doubt that America helps Israel enormously, as it should help those who share our democratic values. But there is also no doubt that Israel helps the United States considerably, by sharing its extraordinary intelligence-gathering capabilities, its military R&D, its computer know-how and other intangibles. As other nations in the region debate whether American troops should even be allowed to set foot on their territory, Israel welcomes the American military to engage in joint exercises. In its nearly 64 years of existence, Israel has never asked for a single American soldier to fight its battles. It fights its own battles while assisting the American military in defending our country against terrorism and other threats to our citizens.
It’s time for the realists to acknowledge that Israel not only has a moral and ideological claim to American support, but it also has a claim base on realpolitik. Moreover, Israeli exports—medical, environmental, educational, cultural, agricultural, and high tech—contribute to the quality of life of all Americans. No country is history has contributed more in 64 years to the quality of life of the world’s population than Israel has since its birth.
Those are some of the reasons why thoughtful Americans overwhelmingly support Israel, why every mainstream presidential candidate supports Israel’s security, and why Israel has never been a divisive issue in American politics, as it has sometimes been in European politics.
This commonality of interests should not immunize Israeli policies and actions from legitimate and reasonable criticism, any more than England’s shared values should immunize that country from criticism. Allies need not agree on every aspect of each other’s policy to remain supportive friends. But Israel’s reliability as an eternal American ally—and its many contributions to American security and daily life—should cause us to treat that nation as a friend and to resolve reasonable doubts in its favor.
Unfortunately, the opposite is being advocated by some “realists,” hard left academics and extremist student activists. They see Israel as an enemy and resolve all doubts against it. They single out the Jewish state for divestment, boycotts and sanctions, (DBS)—ignoring real human rights offenders such as China, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Iran and Syria. They apply a double standard of judgment against Israel. They do not limit their hostility to particular Israeli actions or policies. Instead, they seek to delegitimate the entire concept of a secular, democratic, pluralistic nation state for the Jewish people in a world that includes numerous “Arab,” “Muslim,” “Christian,” “Hindu” and other far more particularistic states.
At its root much of the animus directed at Israel, particularly from the hard left, is actually directed at the United States. The hard left hates America, and it also hates its reliable allies such as Israel. But for those of us who love America, support for Israel—its most reliable ally—comes naturally.
So let our great nation continue to support the security and survival of another great democracy with the understanding that there is mutual benefit to our enduring alliance and friendship. Israel, unlike many other fair weather allies, can always be counted on by the United States.
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en>fr fr>en By Armonteutmaronne Comments: 10932, member since Sun May 20, 2007On Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:38 AM
Axel_Bavaria wrote:
Who Are America’s Reliable Allies?
Posted By Alan M. Dershowitz On February 17, 2012 @ 12:21 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage | No Comments
In a quickly changing world, it is important to ask which countries the United States can always count on in times of crisis. Recent events have shortened that list considerably.
India has long claimed to be a reliable ally, but it is now undercutting American efforts to impose meaningful sanctions against Iran. Its help cannot any longer be counted on in the struggle against the greatest danger faced by the United States—an Iran with nuclear weapons. Japan, another ally, is dilly dallying on sanctions as well. Brazil used to be a reliable partner, until it began to fall under the sway of Venezuela’s Chavez, who is closely allied with Iran and other American enemies. The “new” Russia and China demonstrated their lack of reliability when they vetoed American efforts in the Security Council to help resolve the Syrian crisis. Egypt, which has received billions of dollars of American aid, has defied American warnings not to put US citizens on trial on phony, trumped-up charges. Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates are now playing footsy with Hamas and Hezbollah, also Iranian surrogates, as they worry about the contagion of the Arab Spring and the growing influence of the Muslim Brotherhood.
It turns out that other than Europe, Israel may be America’s only remaining reliable ally. And even some European countries, such as France, Sweden and Norway, are in doubt.
Israel will always remain a strong American ally because it shares an American commitment to democracy, to freedom of religion, to freedom of expression and to an open market economy. It also shares a common commitment to fight against terrorism and other threats to the security of the United States—a commitment that is less that vigorous among some European countries.
Some political scientists and state department officials, who call themselves “realists”, question Israel’s value as an American ally. They are wrong, and recent events confirm how wrong they are and have been.
There is no doubt that America helps Israel enormously, as it should help those who share our democratic values. But there is also no doubt that Israel helps the United States considerably, by sharing its extraordinary intelligence-gathering capabilities, its military R&D, its computer know-how and other intangibles. As other nations in the region debate whether American troops should even be allowed to set foot on their territory, Israel welcomes the American military to engage in joint exercises. In its nearly 64 years of existence, Israel has never asked for a single American soldier to fight its battles. It fights its own battles while assisting the American military in defending our country against terrorism and other threats to our citizens.
It’s time for the realists to acknowledge that Israel not only has a moral and ideological claim to American support, but it also has a claim base on realpolitik. Moreover, Israeli exports—medical, environmental, educational, cultural, agricultural, and high tech—contribute to the quality of life of all Americans. No country is history has contributed more in 64 years to the quality of life of the world’s population than Israel has since its birth.
Those are some of the reasons why thoughtful Americans overwhelmingly support Israel, why every mainstream presidential candidate supports Israel’s security, and why Israel has never been a divisive issue in American politics, as it has sometimes been in European politics.
This commonality of interests should not immunize Israeli policies and actions from legitimate and reasonable criticism, any more than England’s shared values should immunize that country from criticism. Allies need not agree on every aspect of each other’s policy to remain supportive friends. But Israel’s reliability as an eternal American ally—and its many contributions to American security and daily life—should cause us to treat that nation as a friend and to resolve reasonable doubts in its favor.
Unfortunately, the opposite is being advocated by some “realists,” hard left academics and extremist student activists. They see Israel as an enemy and resolve all doubts against it. They single out the Jewish state for divestment, boycotts and sanctions, (DBS)—ignoring real human rights offenders such as China, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Iran and Syria. They apply a double standard of judgment against Israel. They do not limit their hostility to particular Israeli actions or policies. Instead, they seek to delegitimate the entire concept of a secular, democratic, pluralistic nation state for the Jewish people in a world that includes numerous “Arab,” “Muslim,” “Christian,” “Hindu” and other far more particularistic states.
At its root much of the animus directed at Israel, particularly from the hard left, is actually directed at the United States. The hard left hates America, and it also hates its reliable allies such as Israel. But for those of us who love America, support for Israel—its most reliable ally—comes naturally.
So let our great nation continue to support the security and survival of another great democracy with the understanding that there is mutual benefit to our enduring alliance and friendship. Israel, unlike many other fair weather allies, can always be counted on by the United States.
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en>fr fr>en By JFrum Comments: 4819, member since Sat Nov 19, 2011On Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:35 AM
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en>fr fr>en By popocatptl Comments: 791, member since Mon Apr 09, 2007On Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:03 PM
France is a reliable ally that provide saddam Hussein with nuclear plants.
Germany is a reliable ally that has made the central of Busher
in Iran.
You can even not be sure of UK ,another reliable ally.
Italy and Spain don t give a shit about american diplomacy , they are reliable allies.
America will be respected again the day you will have balls
to drop bombs on Teheran , killing thousands of civilians.
That day, monkeys of any place around the earth will start minding nuclear trade with your NATO good allies.
Many in Europe are having fun about your weakness...if you want
to be respected , stand alone and kill .
First of all start killing french soldiers collaborating with hezbollah in Lebanon , sink the french frigate going along at war with you in the Gulf since everybody in France know that Europe has been
the strongest support of Iran during years.
The day your tank crushed that jounalist head, the one of TF1 , Patrik Bourrat, that day, you
were for hours the great conqueror of D_DAY , don t ask why.
When are you going to understand that the european minds are rotten,
best families in Europe have been destroyed, remainings are the worst ; for diplomacy and war , as strong as you will be hitting Chirac , Sarkozy or Merkel heads , as much you will be respected.
The reason for this is very easy , in France , the grandsons of the ones who collaborated with Hitler ( do you think scientific
experimentation towards nuclear bomb had stopped in France during NAZI rule ? ) are the ones collaborating with Saddam or Mahmud.
In french scientists or busineessmen mentality , the job of a soldier is to be killed for his country , they even don t care about their own soldiers , let s kill some french and you ll see the total lack of reaction from France. The day you ll have the balls to kill frenchs, directly or secretly , you ll be winning all your middle east war. | |
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en>fr fr>en By Forza_Padania Comments: 125, member since Fri Mar 05, 2010On Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:21 PM
Pour répondre efficacement à cette question, il faut peut-être déjà commencer par se poser la question connexe : Est-ce que les états-uniens sont des alliés fiables?
Je crois qu'il y a été répondu clairement depuis longtemps :
Whoever has the amricans as allies does not need ennemies.
Mrs Ngô Đình Nhu, sister-in law of the President of South Viet Nam | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By tozer Comments: 17885, member since Wed Nov 19, 2003On Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:25 PM
Dershowitz: I Can’t Vote for Obama Unless He Cuts Ties with Media Matters
Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, who was a key supporter of Obama in 2008, told WOR710 today that he could not vote for President Obama’s re-election unless the president cuts ties with the controversial anti-Israel group Media Matters. He also warned that Obama’s association with Media Matters – which was raised by the Daily Caller in an investigative series this week – will lose him support in the pro-Israel community:
Let’s have a full and open debate on this, but to the extent that the Obama administration associates with these bigots [at Media Matters], they’re going to lose a lot of support among Christians, Jews and others who think that American support for Israel is in the best interest of the United States…So don’t confuse these bigots with liberals. They’re not. They’re extremists, they’re way, way beyond the pale. And any association with the Obama administration is going to hurt the Obama administration. There is not enough room under the big tent for people like me…and the bigots of Media Matters. The Obama administration is going to have to choose. …
I could not vote for anyone who has anything to do with Media Matters, that’s clear. That’s just clear as can be. I will take an oath here that I will not vote for a candidate that has any direct association with Media Matters. That’s like asking me to vote for Hezbollah or asking me to vote for Hamas or asking me to vote for the Fascist Party. I won’t do it…That association has to stop. Just in the same way that President Obama totally terminated his association with the Reverend Wright, he has to terminate any association with Media Matters and with the intellectual thugs who are behind it.
Click the last link over to BreitbartTV for the full audio to hear Dershowitz give the history of the Jewish dual-loyalty charge that’s now being used by Media Matters writers. As an interesting aside, Dershowitz also explains that he discovered Media Matters was using anti-Semitic tropes after he saw them quoted by a Holocaust denial group that regularly spams his email box.
Could Media Matters become as toxic for Obama as his association with Rev. Wright was in 2008? As far as I recall, Dershowitz is the first to make that comparison. In many ways, Media Matters’ rhetoric is just as offensive as the garbage Wright was preaching. The difference is Media Matters has extensive ties within the Democratic Party. Even if Obama disassociates from the group, he can’t count on his fellow Democrats to follow suit. He also can’t discount the fact that Media Matters has a lot of sway with the progressive left. His re-election campaign will require support, and potentially even coordination, with the group.
www.commentarymagazine.com . . .
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en>fr fr>en By balls Comments: 28549, member since Tue Aug 24, 2004On Fri Feb 17, 2012 01:11 PM
No country has allies when no one fears them.
Right now, no one fears us.
So, here we sit, alone amongst savages. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By popocatptl Comments: 791, member since Mon Apr 09, 2007On Fri Feb 17, 2012 01:57 PM
All that thread about allies is very confusing .
Germany who is your ally has killed more americans that will ever do Russia which is not your ally .
If you explain to a child that the one who kicked his ass one year long is his friend and the one who helped to get rid of the former one is his worst enemy...well if the child is convinced ,
that s strong...
And even lying is "half a lie" since half germany has never been
your ally ( east germany) .
and wat about france ?
A france "petainist" that hates you , a france "gaullist" you sat up and that hate the US as well ,
the population who feel sometimes empathy , but not to that point to endorse your diplomacy .
France perceive America as a rival and two minutes later as a friend, while america consider that France has been a new state
founded on allied victory , such as israel . As you regard the fate of french ashkenazi jews...antique france has given France
plus Israel , while gaullists believes in the unicity of France...a mess...
Some things never change. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By bratwurst1978  Comments: 3061, member since Tue Nov 30, 2004On Fri Feb 17, 2012 02:51 PM
These guys for sure... They will defend until there is no more defending necessary. And the Jews of course. They're like top notch allies to the American people. Axel agrees. Word. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? (karma: 4)
en>fr fr>en By Cossack Comments: 1725, member since Thu Jun 10, 2004On Fri Feb 17, 2012 03:25 PM
Axel_Bavaria wrote:
Israel will always remain a strong American ally because it shares an American commitment to democracy, to freedom of religion, to freedom of expression and to an open market economy. It also shares a common commitment to fight against terrorism and other threats to the security of the United States—a commitment that is less that vigorous among some European countries.
Sure!
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en>fr fr>en By VaeVictis Comments: 1515, member since Wed Jul 18, 2007On Fri Feb 17, 2012 04:25 PM
Who Are America’s Reliable Allies?
Who needs your tax dollars the most? | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By Danny_Noonan Comments: 2197, member since Mon Jul 11, 2005On Fri Feb 17, 2012 07:17 PM
Nazi Pole Smoking Frog wrote:
Who Are America’s Reliable Allies?
Who needs your tax dollars the most?
That would be the Europeans and their mad rush towards Muslim-majority insolvency, inferior untermensch. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By lookanlearn Comments: 10049, member since Sun Jun 10, 2007On Fri Feb 17, 2012 07:27 PM
It turns out that other than Europe, Israel may be America’s only remaining reliable ally. And even some European countries, such as France, Sweden and Norway, are in doubt.
Israel will always remain a strong American ally because it shares an American commitment to democracy, to freedom of religion, to freedom of expression and to an open market economy. It also shares a common commitment to fight against terrorism and other threats to the security of the United States—a commitment that is less that vigorous among some European countries.
Name one Battalion of Israeli soldiers that helped the USA in Vietnam (on the ground)?
Name one Battalion of Israeli soldiers that helped the USA in Bosnia/Yugoslavia?
Name one Battalion of Israeli soldiers that helped the USA in Afghanistan (on the ground)?
Name one Battalion of Israeli soldiers that helped the USA in Iraq (on the ground)?
Indispensable ain`t they.
While Germany and the USA POUR Billions of dollars into them they will continue to be as helpful.
Half that amount would get you twice as much help from even the Palestinians one could argue. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By PopsFrost Comments: 12271, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008On Fri Feb 17, 2012 08:17 PM
Popcatpi, whatever the hell you're smoking, you need to give it up. Armon is making more sense than you.
No country is history has contributed more in 64 years to the quality of life of the world’s population than Israel has since its birth.
True dat.
It's not a question of whether Israel stands by us. It's a question of whether we stand by Israel. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By Richard1 Comments: 1782, member since Sat Sep 05, 2009On Fri Feb 17, 2012 08:59 PM
Asstralian's are reliable and in the main they are obedient. They know what side their bread is buttered. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By martsy Comments: 3549, member since Mon May 19, 2003On Sat Feb 18, 2012 05:48 AM
Are the US loyal towards their own allies?
e.g. South Vietnam... | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By Axel_Bavaria Comments: 9499, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003On Sat Feb 18, 2012 06:11 AM
martsy wrote:
Are the US loyal towards their own allies?
e.g. South Vietnam...
Short answer: NO. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By rasht Comments: 2248, member since Wed Sep 29, 2004On Sat Feb 18, 2012 07:25 AM
As De Gaulle said, Americans don’t look for allies but for mat. Any country which was foolish to think that USA would be a reliable ally, finished in bad shape. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Uncle_Meat Comments: 22162, member since Sat Mar 15, 2003On Sat Feb 18, 2012 07:40 AM
rasht wrote:
As De Gaulle said, Americans don’t look for allies but for mat. Any country which was foolish to think that USA would be a reliable ally, finished in bad shape.
Spoken by De Gaul from beneath Winston Churchill's desk. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By PopsFrost Comments: 12271, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008On Sat Feb 18, 2012 09:23 AM
rasht wrote:
As De Gaulle said, Americans don’t look for allies but for mat. Any country which was foolish to think that USA would be a reliable ally, finished in bad shape.
Yep. that's what we did to Western Europe. Wouldn't defend you for decades while you rebuilt your war torn economies, right?
Asshole. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By Axel_Bavaria Comments: 9499, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003On Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:11 AM
PopsFrost wrote:
rasht wrote:
As De Gaulle said, Americans don’t look for allies but for mat. Any country which was foolish to think that USA would be a reliable ally, finished in bad shape.
Yep. that's what we did to Western Europe. Wouldn't defend you for decades while you rebuilt your war torn economies, right?
What you did for Europe in the 1950s was very much appreciated.
What you should have done in 1960 was leaving Europe alone, after due notice. We would have had to build up our own armies, which would have been no problem for us in any way, shape or form. But with the Americans present, no one saw the need for it. You made us depend on you. Dependant. That shouldn't have happened. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By PopsFrost Comments: 12271, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008On Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 AM
Axel_Bavaria wrote:
What you should have done in 1960 was leaving Europe alone, after due notice. We would have had to build up our own armies, which would have been no problem for us in any way, shape or form. But with the Americans present, no one saw the need for it. You made us depend on you. Dependant. That shouldn't have happened.
All that is true. But we have the benefit of hindsight. No one, and I do mean no one, wanted to consider a re-militarized or even nuclear capable Germany in the 50's or 60's. The Soviet threat was real. You are viewing the world from 2012, you didn't go through a nuclear attack drill at school last week. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By MadRusski Comments: 40616, member since Mon Aug 16, 2004On Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:35 AM
Name one Battalion of Israeli soldiers that helped the USA in Vietnam (on the ground)?
Name one Battalion of Israeli soldiers that helped the USA in Bosnia/Yugoslavia?
Name one Battalion of Israeli soldiers that helped the USA in Afghanistan (on the ground)?
Name one Battalion of Israeli soldiers that helped the USA in Iraq (on the ground)?
Iraq in 1991, ShitAndEat? When US told Israel not to respond to Saddam's SCUDs? LOL, Imagine Israel defending Muzzi terrorists in Bosnia! Are you posting from Iran, ShitAndEat? | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By WilyB Comments: 29729, member since Sat Apr 26, 2003On Sat Feb 18, 2012 02:22 PM
Les deux seuls alliés des Etats-Unis sont la Grande-Bretagne et la France. | re: Who Are America’s Reliable Allies? en>fr fr>en By Axel_Bavaria Comments: 9499, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003On Sat Feb 18, 2012 02:47 PM
Edited by Axel_Bavaria (63048) on 2012-02-18 14:47:46
PopsFrost wrote:
No one, and I do mean no one, wanted to consider a re-militarized or even nuclear capable Germany in the 50's or 60's. The Soviet threat was real.
You are mistaken. The US offered Germany to turn it a nuclear power in the 1950s already - but the German government declined. Stupid move on our part. |
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