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Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 6)  en>fr fr>en
By Tattooed_Hoodlum Comments: 5859, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 05:21 AM
The affidavit in the Zimmerman case fails to justify a second-degree-murder charge. The prosecutor has most likely deliberately overcharged, hoping to intimidate Zimmerman into agreeing to a plea bargain. If this case goes to trial, Zimmerman will almost definitely be found “not guilty” on the charge of second-degree murder.

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The charges brought against George Zimmerman sure look like prosecutorial misconduct. The case as put forward by the prosecutor in the “affidavit of probable cause” is startlingly weak. As a former chief economist at the U.S. Sentencing Commission, I have read a number of such affidavits, and cannot recall one lacking so much relevant information. The prosecutor has most likely deliberately overcharged, hoping to intimidate Zimmerman into agreeing to a plea bargain. If this case goes to trial, Zimmerman will almost definitely be found “not guilty” on the charge of second-degree murder.

The prosecutor wasn’t required to go to the grand jury for the indictment, but the fact that she didn’t in such a high-profile case is troubling. Everyone knows how easy it is for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to indict, because only the prosecutor presents evidence. A grand-jury indictment would have provided political cover; that charges were brought without one means that the prosecutor was worried that a grand jury would not give her the indictment.

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The affidavit consists of six main points:

● Zimmerman was upset about all “the break-ins in his neighborhood” and expressed anger at how criminals “always get away.”

● According to a discussion with Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, who said that she was talking to Martin before the attack, Zimmerman followed Martin. He did so despite the police operator’s saying “we don’t need you to do that.”

● Zimmerman “confronted Martin and a struggle ensued,” though no evidence is cited on this point.

● Trayvon Martin’s mother identified the voice crying for help on a 9-1-1 call as her son’s.

● Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest, and this is confirmed by both Zimmerman’s statement and ballistics tests.

● Martin died from the gunshot wound.

Note some of the points that are missing. The prosecution doesn’t claim Zimmerman had racial animus against blacks. There was no “f***ing coons” on the police call. Some extremely relevant information from the police report is completely excluded: There is no mention of the grass and wetness found on the back of Zimmerman’s shirt, the gashes on the back of his head, the bloody nose, or the other witnesses who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, beating him, before the shot was fired. There is not even an attempt to say that the police report was in error; instead the affidavit just disregards it.

Even if everything in the affidavit is correct, it does not even begin to deal with the most crucial question: Who attacked whom? Even if it is true that “Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued,” there may have been no wrongdoing on Zimmerman’s part. “Confronted” does not mean “provoked” or “assaulted.” It could simply mean that Zimmerman followed Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood. Surely Zimmerman had the right to investigate a strange person in his neighborhood. The police operator’s advice that “we don’t need you to do that” was merely suggestive, not an order to stop. Indeed, the police had no authority to give Zimmerman such an order.

Now take the charge of “second degree” murder. There is no way that the affidavit justifies such a charge. In Florida, second-degree murder is defined as “the unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual.” But if Zimmerman was being beaten, there was no “depraved mind regardless of human life,” and the act “imminently dangerous to another” would be justified as self-defense.

Angela Corey, the special prosecutor who filed charges, claimed multiple times on Wednesday that the prosecutors “are seekers of the truth.” In our legal system, grand juries can sometimes provide a check on prosecutors who indict based on political pressure or the desire to seek the limelight. It is no surprise that Corey avoided the grand jury.

22 Replies to Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’?

re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By PopsFrost Comments: 12271, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 07:13 AM
Angela Corey, the special prosecutor who filed charges, claimed multiple times on Wednesday that the prosecutors “are seekers of the truth.”


Next the bitch will try to claim that the police are there to protect citizens.

Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By TheMadPoetmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 38434, member since Mon Nov 07, 2005
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 07:33 AM
She wants to grandstand, she has a world wide stage, and she knows it.

When everyone, including the UN and the president have spoken up about the case, she knows, win or lose, there is political hay to be made. Or lost.

When running for election, opponents will cry "She let a murderer go!" if she does nothing, if she convicts him, she can say "He was convicted by a jury of his peers." and wash her hands of the guild of convicting an innocent man.

What she wants to do is come away with any kind of conviction with a felony charge, this will strip Zimmerman of his gun rights, and also set him up for a lifetime of harassment.
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By goodinfidel Comments: 1658, member since Tue Dec 13, 2005
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:17 AM
is there a legitimate paypal site to give this kid a couple bucks so the show goes on to its full natural conclusion?
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By chevy Comments: 10161, member since Tue Nov 16, 2004
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:37 AM
goodinfidel wrote:

is there a legitimate paypal site to give this kid a couple bucks so the show goes on to its full natural conclusion?



therealgeorgezimmerman.com


The MSM said it was real but you couldn't prove it by me. Rebourn said he gave $10 so maybe he got something back to confirm it one way or the other.
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 6)  en>fr fr>en
By Johnny_Ola Comments: 10257, member since Sat Apr 28, 2007
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 01:04 PM
TheMadPoet wrote:

When everyone, including the UN and the president have spoken up about the case, she knows, win or lose, there is political hay to be made. Or lost.


The UN...what a joke. Funny how caring they are for this one black kid who may very well have been shot justifiably.

But they did fuck-all when MILLIONS of blacks were being hacked to death in Africa.
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By Johnny_Ola Comments: 10257, member since Sat Apr 28, 2007
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 01:06 PM
Boy, I'm sure glad the media made sure to go out of their way to say how Zimmerman is a 'white hispanic'. Look at that pasty white guy! Is he from Ireland? An albino perhaps?
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Tiberius Comments: 10747, member since Tue Feb 11, 2003
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 01:37 PM
She's setting him up to be acquitted, so the Feds can railroad him on a trumped up "Civil Rights" charge...remember, they only need a "preponderance of evidence" for that. This will allow the Administration and the MSM to frame it as "YT gunned down a pure, sweet black child and the GOP was going to let him get away with it! The only thing standing between "you people" (blacks) and utter extermination is the Democrat Party!"
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? en>fr fr>en
By MadRusski Comments: 40617, member since Mon Aug 16, 2004
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 03:14 PM
She's setting him up to be acquitted, so the Feds can railroad him on a trumped up "Civil Rights" charge


How does it fit with the double jeopardy?

I think they came up with the too high of a charge to simply let him go and in the same time to have a trial, so that the instigators would shut up.
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? en>fr fr>en
By ymifrench Comments: 9871, member since Fri Oct 08, 2004
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 04:07 PM
MadRusski wrote:

She's setting him up to be acquitted, so the Feds can railroad him on a trumped up "Civil Rights" charge


How does it fit with the double jeopardy?

I think they came up with the too high of a charge to simply let him go and in the same time to have a trial, so that the instigators would shut up.


. . . . I believe double jeopardy only applies to a conviction arising from the same crime. In this case, if Zimmerman were to be found guilty of a lesser, included crime (ie. manslaughter) then the Feds could not prosecute for a murder, but they could file charges for depriving Martin's civil liberties......if Zimmerman is found not guilty then the Feds can prosecute for anything, from murder to income tax evasion.

I'm not an attorney, but I watched every episode of Law and Order and Boston Legal... :)
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? en>fr fr>en
By simplefrench Comments: 65103, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 04:57 PM
do you know the translation of "probable cause" in French ?

It is "cause probable". Funny no ??
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? en>fr fr>en
By lord_of_the_air Comments: 6767, member since Sun Nov 14, 2004
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 05:01 PM
simplefrench wrote:

do you know the translation of "probable cause" in French ?

It is "cause probable". Funny no ??


Funny yes??
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? en>fr fr>en
By simplefrench Comments: 65103, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 05:03 PM
yes=oui
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? en>fr fr>en
By lord_of_the_air Comments: 6767, member since Sun Nov 14, 2004
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 05:06 PM



simplefrench wrote:

yes=oui
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? en>fr fr>en
By LTKilling Comments: 9963, member since Sun Aug 14, 2005
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 05:08 PM
there was no grand jury

this guy is fucked

he will be guilty even though he did nothing wrong

it is to stop the niggers from burning the city down
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? en>fr fr>en
By Tattooed_Hoodlum Comments: 5859, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 05:09 PM
Tiberius wrote:

She's setting him up to be acquitted, so the Feds can railroad him on a trumped up "Civil Rights" charge...remember, they only need a "preponderance of evidence" for that. This will allow the Administration and the MSM to frame it as "YT gunned down a pure, sweet black child and the GOP was going to let him get away with it! The only thing standing between "you people" (blacks) and utter extermination is the Democrat Party!"


Or else she's overcharging in hopes of getting him to plead to a lesser charge.
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By Tiberius Comments: 10747, member since Tue Feb 11, 2003
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 07:21 PM
MadRusski wrote:

She's setting him up to be acquitted, so the Feds can railroad him on a trumped up "Civil Rights" charge


How does it fit with the double jeopardy?

I think they came up with the too high of a charge to simply let him go and in the same time to have a trial, so that the instigators would shut up.


The Feds will not charge Zimmerman for murder, they will charge him with violating Martin's Civil Rights. Double jeopardy does not apply because it is a different crime....importantly, one with a lower standard of guilt. The law was created to give the Feds a way to work around outright jury nullification, or a politically inconvenient acquittal in a state court. For example, the cops who beat up Rodney King were acquitted in State court, so the Feds used the Civil Rights laws to get them convicted.
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By ReBourne Comments: 8913, member since Sat Oct 24, 2009
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 09:19 PM
chevy wrote:

goodinfidel wrote:

is there a legitimate paypal site to give this kid a couple bucks so the show goes on to its full natural conclusion?



therealgeorgezimmerman.com


The MSM said it was real but you couldn't prove it by me. Rebourn said he gave $10 so maybe he got something back to confirm it one way or the other.


I did.

From Zimmerman and another from PayPal.
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By bizlah Comments: 8460, member since Tue Dec 15, 2009
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 09:31 PM
ReBourne wrote:

chevy wrote:

goodinfidel wrote:

is there a legitimate paypal site to give this kid a couple bucks so the show goes on to its full natural conclusion?



therealgeorgezimmerman.com


The MSM said it was real but you couldn't prove it by me. Rebourn said he gave $10 so maybe he got something back to confirm it one way or the other.


I did.

From Zimmerman and another from PayPal.


Members of the Tribe always look out for one another, ain't that how you guys do it? :D
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By tom25 Comments: 5190, member since Thu May 01, 2003
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 09:44 PM
He will be fucked. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the Rodney King cops got hit with double jeopardy to appease the blacks?
re: Wherefs the eProbable Causef? (karma: 3)  en>fr fr>en
By NOZZLE Comments: 15136, member since Mon Mar 07, 2005
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:23 PM
tom25 wrote:

He will be fucked. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the Rodney King cops got hit with double jeopardy to appease the blacks?


No, daddy bush sold them out to appease the niggers by letting main justice charge them with a civil rights violation.

This is what they based the charge on, we know a witness who called 9-11 identified teh squeeky voice as that of Zimmerman and the girlfriend put that lied together three weeks after the shooting,

œ Zimmerman gconfronted Martin and a struggle ensued,h though no evidence is cited on this point.


He said he was walking back to his car when he was attacked.

œ Trayvon Martinfs mother identified the voice crying for help on a 9-1-1 call as her sonfs.

Niggers hate technology because it always fucks their stories up, voice analysis is going to link that voice to Zimmerman.
re: Where’s the ‘Probable Cause’? (karma: 2)  en>fr fr>en
By diefrog Comments: 9023, member since Wed Mar 12, 2003
On Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:27 PM
NOZZLE wrote:

tom25 wrote:

He will be fucked. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the Rodney King cops got hit with double jeopardy to appease the blacks?


No, daddy bush sold them out to appease the niggers by letting main justice charge them with a civil rights violation.

This is what they based the charge on, we know a witness who called 9-11 identified teh squeeky voice as that of Zimmerman and the girlfriend put that lied together three weeks after the shooting,

œ Zimmerman gconfronted Martin and a struggle ensued,h though no evidence is cited on this point.


He said he was walking back to his car when he was attacked.

œ Trayvon Martinfs mother identified the voice crying for help on a 9-1-1 call as her sonfs.


Niggers hate technology because it always fucks their stories up, voice analysis is going to link that voice to Zimmerman.

eyewitnesses already link that voice on the 911 recording to Zimmerman. At least one person looked out their 2nd story window and saw Zimmerman screaming. The 13 year old black kid who was out walking his dog identified it as Zimmerman. He didn't know who zimmerman was, just id'ed the screamer as the guy in the red shirt/sweatshirt. Trayboon's own father claimed that wasn't his son. Then sharpton and the rest told him that didn't help their story, so he backed off and changed his story.
Now he thinks he's Emilio Estevez en>fr fr>en
By Klausbarbie Comments: 3096, member since Tue Mar 22, 2005
On Mon Apr 16, 2012 06:25 AM
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