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en>fr fr>en By EU_Army Comments: 2133, member since Sat Mar 28, 2009On Thu Jun 28, 2012 08:45 AM
The EU is an economic superpower, but there is still room for political integration, and the Germans are pushing for exactly that:
www.washingtonpost.com . . . -
BRUSSELS — Political posters in Rome are comparing her to Hitler. A popular British magazine dubbed her “Europe’s most dangerous leader.” But could German Chancellor Angela Merkel — the frugal physicist foisting tough austerity on the region’s hard-hit economies — really be the most pro-European leader in Europe?
Merkel arrives here Thursday for a European Union summit, with the stoic 57-year-old raised in East Germany again seen as the chief stumbling block to a shock-and-awe response to the region’s debt crisis. Jealously guarding the purse strings of Germany — an anchor of economic might and stability in a region adrift in financial trouble — the leader nicknamed “Frau Nein” by the European press is resisting calls to roll out a bevy of measures seen as possible quick fixes to the crisis.But especially in recent weeks, Merkel and her top ministers have been spelling out a far grander, German alternative to convince markets the euro is here to stay. What they envision would mark a radical step forward in European integration through a “political union” in which countries in the region would act more like American states, sharing an elected president and even a pan-European army.
Such visions are hardly new, but the Germans are nevertheless building a fresh case that integration is the only way to shore up the foundations of the euro, albeit one that could take years, if not generations, to see through. Part of the summit here will be dedicated to debating the first steps of such a path, including the creation of a regional banking supervisor that, in about a year, would have the power to do something long considered taboo in the fiercely independent nations of the euro zone: override the authority of national governments.
Plans also being discussed call for the establishment of a sort of European Treasury down the line, vesting central authorities with broad powers over national budgets. 26 Replies to A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation (karma: 10)
en>fr fr>en By Stonewall Comments: 8360, member since Tue Jan 04, 2005On Thu Jun 28, 2012 09:03 AM
 LOL! | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By PopsFrost Comments: 12271, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008On Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:17 AM
Oh goodie. As soon as we get an American in the White House we can start playing the Russians off against the EUians and vice-versa. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By EU_Army Comments: 2133, member since Sat Mar 28, 2009On Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:59 AM
Edited by EU_Army (82060) on 2012-06-28 12:01:17
Edited by EU_Army (82060) on 2012-06-28 12:04:36
PopsFrost wrote:
Oh goodie. As soon as we get an American in the White House we can start playing the Russians off against the EUians and vice-versa.
Good luck with that:
Putin: Russia will join the euro one day
www.telegraph.co.uk . . . - Vladimir Putin said it is "quite possible" that Russia will one day join the eurozone and create a currency that would eclipse the US dollar as the global reserve standard. Speaking at a conference in Germany the Russian prime minister, who is in the country for talks with Chancellor Angela Merkel, said he was convinced the euro would stabilise and strengthen despite the current sovereign debt crisis. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By ibigmang  Comments: 19153, member since Thu Oct 06, 2005On Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:23 PM
Hitler's dream is alive and well. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation (karma: 5)
en>fr fr>en By VAVD Comments: 4272, member since Wed Nov 25, 2009On Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:31 PM
"I wish the Roman people had but one neck" - Caligula | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By tozer Comments: 17870, member since Wed Nov 19, 2003On Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:34 PM
The reichzone. Nice. | |
re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By popocatptl Comments: 786, member since Mon Apr 09, 2007On Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:48 PM
It does not work ,so let s do it a step ahead....
Eurocrats are in their ivory tower...nobody listen to them
anymore...
We already have an integrated army which is NATO ! | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By FrogFryer Comments: 39926, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003On Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:53 PM
leave it to eu army to find the one article that puts a positive spin on what theyve accomplished today .
that would be absolutly nothing
well they did accomplish stuff during the bathroom breaks
What they envision would mark a radical step forward in European integration through a “political union” in which countries in the region would act more like American states, sharing an elected president and even a pan-European army.
Such visions are hardly new, but the Germans are nevertheless building a fresh case that integration is the only way to shore up the foundations of the euro, albeit one that could take years, if not generations, to see through.
another rapid reaction force and more calls to be more like the United States of America
the undisputed biggest and bestest economy and country in da woild
in every area from cars to space to technology
we lead in every possible category and thier is no disputing it or the fact that we are superior dynomos in every single way imaginable
we have to be since the europeans keep insisting that they have to be more like us ROTFLMAO | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By jukinj3 Comments: 15919, member since Tue Apr 08, 2003On Thu Jun 28, 2012 01:44 PM
That will happen right about the time there is a eu rapid reaction force and eu heavy lift capability. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By EU_Army Comments: 2133, member since Sat Mar 28, 2009On Thu Jun 28, 2012 06:26 PM
Edited by EU_Army (82060) on 2012-06-28 18:40:11
Edited by EU_Army (82060) on 2012-06-28 18:41:29
The time has come for a European Federation
By Viviane Reding, Vice-President of the European Commission - Today, European leaders will be meeting in Brussels to seal the future of the European Union. It is a decisive moment for Europe. It is the moment to demonstrate to our citizens and to the world that Europe has a strong determination to further integrate. The crisis has triggered a very necessary debate about where we stand in Europe. One thing is clear though: the way out of the crisis passes by consolidating our Union into a stronger, ever closer and more perfect European Union. We should realise that this crisis is firstly a crisis of confidence. Just look for a moment to the other side of the Atlantic: in May 2012 the debt mountain in the United States was 15,8 trillion dollars and 101% of annual GDP (while the euro zone average is at 91%). In 2012, the United States will run an annual deficit of $1.1 trillion, or 7% of GDP (while the euro zone average is at 3%). These figures show that the United States is clearly on an unsustainable fiscal trajectory. It is not me who says it. It is the Chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke. And yet, no one calls in question the single market of the United States or the viability of the U.S. dollar. One of the reasons for this fact is that our American partners have grown more than 200 years ago from a loose union of states into a fiscal and a political union. The foundations for the federal political union of the U.S. were set in 1790. After the U.S. War of Independence, many of the U.S. states were heavily indebted. This fact led three U.S. politicians – Hamilton, Jefferson and Madison – to agree over a dinner on the need to mutualise, as a one-off measure, the states’ debt and to issue fresh bonds backed by the U.S. Treasury. These bonds back until today the U.S. dollar, the U.S. banking system and the global strength of the U.S. economy. Every citizen can see this when he enters a U.S. bank today. Because under U.S. law, insured institutions are required to place signs at their place of business stating that "deposits are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States Government." This federal guarantee is why U.S. citizens trust that their deposits are safe, also in times of crisis.
Over the years to come, Europe could choose a similar approach. European leaders are currently preparing the blueprint for it. This should include, amongst others, a single European banking supervisory authority and a European deposit guarantee scheme. The most efficient way to do this would be to transfer the competence for the supervision of all systemically relevant banks to the European Central Bank. This can be done on the basis of our existing Treaties. Such a Banking Union should be backed by the full faith and credit given jointly by the euro area governments, and one day by a European Finance Ministry. In the medium term, a Banking Union can only work if complemented by a full Fiscal and Political Union. Our destination in the coming years is clear: if we want to preserve and strengthen Europe's position in the world, we need to turn our Economic and Monetary Union into a strong European Political Federation with a Monetary, Fiscal and Banking Union, covering at least the euro zone, while being open to all EU Member States that wish to join. The answer to the crisis is therefore more Europe. Of course, changes will not happen overnight in the same way as Rome was not built in a day. However, we now need a credible roadmap for turning this vision into reality by 2020.This week's European Council may very well become the European version of the Alexander Hamilton dinner of 1790. European Commission President Barroso has tabled ambitious proposals, and I am confident that they will find many positive responses, including in the European Parliament, which is the democratically elected legislature of the European Union. However, achieving now a quantum leap in European integration requires from all Heads of State and Government to look today beyond short-term interests and to see the bigger picture. They will have to understand that in today's globalised world, sharing and federalising sovereignty does not lead to a loss in democratic power. But to the only way of maintaining democratic power in view of ever growing global challenges, starting from the current financial and debt crisis to climate change. Time has come for European leaders to show that the euro and the European Union – like diamonds – are forever. And that they will not only weather the storm, but grow stronger. The time has come to build a European Federation. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By MadRusski Comments: 40602, member since Mon Aug 16, 2004On Thu Jun 28, 2012 06:33 PM
I actually all for it. Van Rompuy ordering frogs to starve! Sweet
Then some Greek or Albanian president. Or even Putin after Russia join EURO. LOL!!! That would be great.
Yeah, Yurrup-pee-on Army with Greek tanks and Albanian airforce. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By simplefrench Comments: 65103, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003On Thu Jun 28, 2012 06:37 PM
"Yeah, Yurrup-pee-on Army with Greek tanks and Albanian airforce"
slow down the anti freeze russki. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By ibigmang  Comments: 19153, member since Thu Oct 06, 2005On Thu Jun 28, 2012 06:48 PM
Simple, your euron-crisis is making gasoline cheaper in the USA. Just in time for my summer road trips. Thanks buddy.  | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By simplefrench Comments: 65103, member since Wed Mar 19, 2003On Thu Jun 28, 2012 06:52 PM
ibigmang wrote:
Simple, your euron-crisis is making gasoline cheaper in the USA. Just in time for my summer road trips. Thanks buddy. 
You're welcome 
Be happy,gas is almost twice more expensive in europe. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By PopsFrost Comments: 12271, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008On Thu Jun 28, 2012 07:19 PM
EU_Army wrote:
PopsFrost wrote:
Oh goodie. As soon as we get an American in the White House we can start playing the Russians off against the EUians and vice-versa.
Good luck with that:
Putin: Russia will join the euro one day
www.telegraph.co.uk . . . - Vladimir Putin said it is "quite possible" that Russia will one day join the eurozone and create a currency that would eclipse the US dollar as the global reserve standard. Speaking at a conference in Germany the Russian prime minister, who is in the country for talks with Chancellor Angela Merkel, said he was convinced the euro would stabilise and strengthen despite the current sovereign debt crisis.
You're a hoot EU_Army. Of course Putin wants the Germans to bail the ruble out too.
After a strong start to the year, the ruble is now one of the world's worst performing currencies, having shed 11.7% against the dollar in May alone.
online.wsj.com . . .
But at least Putin is a nice guy that you can trust.  | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By PopsFrost Comments: 12271, member since Mon Jan 21, 2008On Thu Jun 28, 2012 07:28 PM
I bet you could get Cuba to join the EU. They may not be in Europe but they certainly qualify as an economic basket-case. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By FrogFryer Comments: 39926, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003On Thu Jun 28, 2012 08:58 PM
EU_Army wrote:
The time has come for a European Federation
By Viviane Reding, Vice-President of the European Commission - Today, European leaders will be meeting in Brussels to seal the future of the European Union. It is a decisive moment for Europe. It is the moment to demonstrate to our citizens and to the world that Europe has a strong determination to further integrate. The crisis has triggered a very necessary debate about where we stand in Europe. One thing is clear though: the way out of the crisis passes by consolidating our Union into a stronger, ever closer and more perfect European Union. We should realise that this crisis is firstly a crisis of confidence. Just look for a moment to the other side of the Atlantic: in May 2012 the debt mountain in the United States was 15,8 trillion dollars and 101% of annual GDP (while the euro zone average is at 91%). In 2012, the United States will run an annual deficit of $1.1 trillion, or 7% of GDP (while the euro zone average is at 3%). These figures show that the United States is clearly on an unsustainable fiscal trajectory. It is not me who says it. It is the Chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke. And yet, no one calls in question the single market of the United States or the viability of the U.S. dollar. One of the reasons for this fact is that our American partners have grown more than 200 years ago from a loose union of states into a fiscal and a political union. The foundations for the federal political union of the U.S. were set in 1790. After the U.S. War of Independence, many of the U.S. states were heavily indebted. This fact led three U.S. politicians – Hamilton, Jefferson and Madison – to agree over a dinner on the need to mutualise, as a one-off measure, the states’ debt and to issue fresh bonds backed by the U.S. Treasury. These bonds back until today the U.S. dollar, the U.S. banking system and the global strength of the U.S. economy. Every citizen can see this when he enters a U.S. bank today. Because under U.S. law, insured institutions are required to place signs at their place of business stating that "deposits are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States Government." This federal guarantee is why U.S. citizens trust that their deposits are safe, also in times of crisis.
Over the years to come, Europe could choose a similar approach. European leaders are currently preparing the blueprint for it. This should include, amongst others, a single European banking supervisory authority and a European deposit guarantee scheme. The most efficient way to do this would be to transfer the competence for the supervision of all systemically relevant banks to the European Central Bank. This can be done on the basis of our existing Treaties. Such a Banking Union should be backed by the full faith and credit given jointly by the euro area governments, and one day by a European Finance Ministry. In the medium term, a Banking Union can only work if complemented by a full Fiscal and Political Union. Our destination in the coming years is clear: if we want to preserve and strengthen Europe's position in the world, we need to turn our Economic and Monetary Union into a strong European Political Federation with a Monetary, Fiscal and Banking Union, covering at least the euro zone, while being open to all EU Member States that wish to join. The answer to the crisis is therefore more Europe. Of course, changes will not happen overnight in the same way as Rome was not built in a day. However, we now need a credible roadmap for turning this vision into reality by 2020.This week's European Council may very well become the European version of the Alexander Hamilton dinner of 1790. European Commission President Barroso has tabled ambitious proposals, and I am confident that they will find many positive responses, including in the European Parliament, which is the democratically elected legislature of the European Union. However, achieving now a quantum leap in European integration requires from all Heads of State and Government to look today beyond short-term interests and to see the bigger picture. They will have to understand that in today's globalised world, sharing and federalising sovereignty does not lead to a loss in democratic power. But to the only way of maintaining democratic power in view of ever growing global challenges, starting from the current financial and debt crisis to climate change. Time has come for European leaders to show that the euro and the European Union – like diamonds – are forever. And that they will not only weather the storm, but grow stronger. The time has come to build a European Federation.
only EU could have faith in europes politicians .
women are fuckin idiots | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By Colter_Stevens Comments: 30, member since Mon May 28, 2012On Thu Jun 28, 2012 09:00 PM
EU_Army wrote:
The EU is an economic superpower, but there is still room for political integration, and the Germans are pushing for exactly that:
www.washingtonpost.com . . . -
BRUSSELS — Political posters in Rome are comparing her to Hitler. A popular British magazine dubbed her “Europe’s most dangerous leader.” But could German Chancellor Angela Merkel — the frugal physicist foisting tough austerity on the region’s hard-hit economies — really be the most pro-European leader in Europe?
Merkel arrives here Thursday for a European Union summit, with the stoic 57-year-old raised in East Germany again seen as the chief stumbling block to a shock-and-awe response to the region’s debt crisis. Jealously guarding the purse strings of Germany — an anchor of economic might and stability in a region adrift in financial trouble — the leader nicknamed “Frau Nein” by the European press is resisting calls to roll out a bevy of measures seen as possible quick fixes to the crisis.But especially in recent weeks, Merkel and her top ministers have been spelling out a far grander, German alternative to convince markets the euro is here to stay. What they envision would mark a radical step forward in European integration through a “political union” in which countries in the region would act more like American states, sharing an elected president and even a pan-European army.
Such visions are hardly new, but the Germans are nevertheless building a fresh case that integration is the only way to shore up the foundations of the euro, albeit one that could take years, if not generations, to see through. Part of the summit here will be dedicated to debating the first steps of such a path, including the creation of a regional banking supervisor that, in about a year, would have the power to do something long considered taboo in the fiercely independent nations of the euro zone: override the authority of national governments.
Plans also being discussed call for the establishment of a sort of European Treasury down the line, vesting central authorities with broad powers over national budgets.
www.hulu.com . . . | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By lookanlearn Comments: 9988, member since Sun Jun 10, 2007On Thu Jun 28, 2012 09:07 PM
FrogFryer wrote:
leave it to eu army to find the one article that puts a positive spin on what theyve accomplished today .
that would be absolutly nothing
well they did accomplish stuff during the bathroom breaks
What they envision would mark a radical step forward in European integration through a “political union” in which countries in the region would act more like American states, sharing an elected president and even a pan-European army.
Such visions are hardly new, but the Germans are nevertheless building a fresh case that integration is the only way to shore up the foundations of the euro, albeit one that could take years, if not generations, to see through.
another rapid reaction force and more calls to be more like the United States of America
the undisputed biggest and bestest economy and country in da woild
in every area from cars to space to technology
we lead in every possible category and thier is no disputing it or the fact that we are superior dynomos in every single way imaginable
we have to be since the europeans keep insisting that they have to be more like us ROTFLMAO
Copying the USA since WW2 is what added to any fuck-up Europe has experienced. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By FrogFryer Comments: 39926, member since Wed Apr 16, 2003On Thu Jun 28, 2012 09:25 PM
try the other way around
write it down on your napkin
from the radical socialist and communist in the begining of the twentith in europe some who even held office
to world war one to world war 2
ww1 and ww2 were good ideas to begin with oh yeah real good ideas to begin with
europe the birth place of modern socialism and political correctness = bushs fault
fuckin gook
youve got some nerve
 | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By trainer Comments: 6105, member since Tue Mar 29, 2005On Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:56 PM
Haven't i heard this tune before? Sounds familiar, let me think...
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,...
Hmmmm. Nope, don't have it. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By mikgof Comments: 11793, member since Tue Feb 17, 2004On Sat Jun 30, 2012 06:00 AM
popocatptl wrote:
It does not work ,so let s do it a step ahead....
Eurocrats are in their ivory tower...nobody listen to them
anymore...
We already have an integrated army which is NATO !
Not much fucking use though is it? The only time that it has been effective is when it has bombed from the air. like in Libya. We bomb and others fight on the ground. That model works, unlike Afghanistan. 10 years and the Taliban is still intact and will walk in as soon as we leave in the next year or two. Nato is unfit for purpose. It needs to be disbanded as soon as possible and something that works put in its place. That or every country takes responsibility for their own defence. | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By NikosAliagas Comments: 1947, member since Sun Jul 15, 2007On Sat Jun 30, 2012 06:10 AM
IBM Gangbang wrote:
Simple, your euron-crisis is making gasoline cheaper in the USA. Just in time for my summer road trips. Thanks buddy. 
Dude
Cheap gas is bringing thousands of votes to Obama... | re: A New Superpower on the Rise - Germany wants an EU Federation en>fr fr>en By pitpig  Comments: 13139, member since Thu Oct 07, 2004On Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:43 AM
Its madness complete madness. |
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